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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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Thunder said:
A healthier nation is a stronger nation and a harder-working nation.

The ACA will help achieve this.
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A poorly educated nation isn't going to have the jobs at which the people can work hard. Obamacare doesn't change that.
 
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danarhea said:
I was bashing W when bashing W wasn't cool, but I always praised him for his choice of judges. I don't believe Bush could have imagined this scenario. Not with the credentials Roberts had at the time Bush appointed him. I still give Bush a A+ on judges, despite today's ruling.
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I wouldn't go that far, but Roberts was a good choice, and I said so then.
 
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American said:
As though the prosperity of the poor has ever risen by receiving welfare. We have the same percentage of poor now as we did then, and you think by continuing that thinking, it will change.
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He knows that it will increase gov't dependency, the goal of the left. More guaranteed votes to tax the rich and "help" the poor. Yes he did!
 
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Republic Now! said:
It's a tax because it is something that didn't previously need to be paid.
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It's a deduction... You can get a deduction for buying a house and for making energy improvements to that house. If you don't buy a house, then you don't get such deductions. That means you will likely pay higher taxes had you taken the deduction and owned a house, etc.
 
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Does ANYONE know the case number/case name for this?
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
You are entitled to your opinion. To the extent your side organizes for solidarity against my side the divisions in this country will be exacerbated.
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The majority are not for racial divides, your side is a tiny, fringe minority becoming more and more insignificant.
 
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Thunder said:
race-baiting this issue & discussion, is a horrible tactic that will surely hurt your cause.

if the GOPers in the House & Senate replicated your strategy, the Democrats would soon rule this country.
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The Democrats can captain the Titanic all they want.
 
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American said:
You know Bush had no clue about this.
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I know, and yet I'm still pissed off that it was a supposedly conservative appointee that just expanded the power of federal government to pretty much encompass any level of coercion imaginable.
 
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SheWolf said:
It's a deduction... You can get a deduction for buying a house and for making energy improvements to that house. If you don't buy a house, then you don't get such deductions. That means you will likely pay higher taxes had you taken the deduction and owned a house, etc.
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Do you understand the difference between saying "Come eat at my steak house, I'll give you 10 bucks!" and saying "If you don't come to my steakhouse, you will be required by law to pay me 10 bucks!"

Funny, I had this same conversation earlier.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Sure.
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I accept your change of heart.





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Thanks for the citation.



So is hypocrisy, and this isn't about love.
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I agree. This is about a political culture that has placed us in the position of a nonviolent civil war.








Picking the worst from multiple sources isn't what I call eclectic.
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I support full civil rights for LGBTQ people. Is that what you're referring to?
 
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AdamT said:
Folks at the low end of the scale will have to pay something towards their insurance, but it's subsidized on a sliding scale, with the subsidy phasing out as income rises. Would you prefer that they just get free health care?
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Please link to that sliding scale so I can see it.
 
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Thunder said:
And I must say, it is amazing that John Roberts, who was GWB's nominee and the Chief Justice, is the one who made the deciding vote. Fun times we live in. :)
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They are suppose to do their job. They are not suppose to be politicians. They are not suppose to legislate, but be referees. It is refreshing whenever justices "cross party lines" and rule.

The last thing America needs is a political court. We, as a people, have sanctioned the politicalization of the court by encouraging our POTUS's to have litmus tests for their justice selections. Its a pity that we have so many politicians on the court as it is, but Washington is so out of control that it needs adult supervision. I feel like the SOCTUS, overall, behaved as adults today. It is encouraging.

Though I lean the other way, I did like Roberts selection as a justice. I thought he was an adult. Today, IMHO, he showed himself to be..... It could have done the political thing; instead, he chose the right thing.
 
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danarhea said:
I was bashing W when bashing W wasn't cool, but I always praised him for his choice of judges. I don't believe Bush could have imagined this scenario. Not with the credentials Roberts had at the time Bush appointed him. I still give Bush a A+ on judges, despite today's ruling.
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You bashed W for everything, as though he never did anything right. That was wrong. He did some things wrong, like spending too much, but he didn't do everything wrong.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Your HC will cost you less, if you want to pay more.....you can...if you want.
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I don't believe you. No one can deny that $500 billion will be transferred out of Medicare and into Obamacare. White seniors will resent this. Their resentment is a basis for political action.
 
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danarhea said:
And that totally blows me away. I never could have seen this in a million years.
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Maybe the justices of Christmas past, present, and future paid him a visit late one night.
 
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Boo Radley said:
My premiums were rising a lot before health care reform. Who do I blame for that? Just like we shouldn't have bought into all the hype before the ruling, we shouldn't buy into the hype about and doomsayers about what will happen now. When will we ever elarn?
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I have had the opposite experience. My premiums have risen since the Obamacare bill was passed (three times now adding up to a hundred dollars a month more). Before my rate had remained stable for the last three years.

This has me so angry, I'm almost to the point of cancelling it so I can refuse to pay any penalty. Quite simply, for many of us, this is no longer our country. It has left individual freedom in the dust. I used to disagree with folks who said that, now I see their point.
 
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Hatuey said:
We're not going to have another civil war. It's 2012, not the 1860s. Good luck getting Cons/Libs to actually go at it.
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You're right there isn't going to be a civil war. But this decision can be used to stoke resentment for political purposes. This weakens the country.
 
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American said:
You bashed W for everything, as though he never did anything right. That was wrong. He did some things wrong, like spending too much, but he didn't do everything wrong.
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Bush did some things I liked.

I'm probably thinking a little more emotionally than I should be. It just irks me that Roberts did this.
 
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Republic Now! said:
I know, and yet I'm still pissed off that it was a supposedly conservative appointee that just expanded the power of federal government to pretty much encompass any level of coercion imaginable.
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Um... no.

That's not what happened.

Nice try. Thank you for playing.
 
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danarhea said:
Was today's decision a defeat for Conservatives? Not necessarily, and here's why. What would definitely have been ruled Constitutional would have been to put EVERYBODY in the US under Medicare, thus giving us a system just like Canada's. Medicare is already settled law, and the only thing that would have to be done is merely changing the age from 65 to 0. Obamacare may be upon us, but it could have been a lot worse, had the Democrats pushed for a change in Medicare and won.

Conservatives should not see todays ruling as either a victory or as a defeat. It's more like a tie in a football game, which is tantamount to having to kiss your sister. Liberals should see it the same way, since if they got what they wanted, Canada's system would be America's system too. And yes, today's ruling is an ugly looking sister too. :mrgreen:
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Its a loss for them dan...because clowns like Boneheader Boehner had the bill DOA and was shooting his yapper off that after it went down in scotus he was going to gut the rest of it....Teapartiers have been walking back all their victory tweets...they made it a loss because they were tooting their horns and sticking their chest out before the ruling came out
 
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Well, My thoughts very preliminarily are really several fold here.

1. I think that Roberts was wrong to side with the liberal wing of the court here, largely on the unequal taxation that this will now enshrine that the government has the right to do. So, the court today just wiped out a piece of the constitution in that regard.

2. The ruling has energized those who are and have been against this law from the begining, the group we saw in 2010 sweep elections. Romney, if his team is smart enough to take advantage of this will win November in a landslide on the anger of the 60% of Americans against this law.

3. Even though Obama said to George Snufolupogus in 2009 that 'no way was this a tax' and then repeated that over, and over, until they got in front of the court, now it is a tax. The largest tax on the middle class in history! Good job libs...$4000. to every middle class family estimated by the CBO.

4. The court, and Obama have just dropped the hammer on small business, in this time of anemic growth at best is plain stupid! Many now will drop Health Insurance offered to employees, and take the tax because it will be cheaper to do so. Or, they will go out of business all together under the weight of cost.


This was a fraud from the beginning, and remains a lie to this day that Obama has given us...I am saddened, but at the same time hopeful that America will wake up and stop the progressive nightmare.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
I don't believe you. No one can deny that $500 billion will be transferred out of Medicare and into Obamacare. White seniors will resent this. Their resentment is a basis for political action.
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no blacks, Hispanics, or Asians on Medicare huh?
 
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