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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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If any teachers still use On Walden Pond by David Henry Thoreau they need to make sure their students understand that the way of life and values he wrote about now are illegal and inviolation of federal law.

All adult Americans are now required to be employed to be able to either pay money to a private corporation or a significant fine for not doing so.

The government should require parents to have life insurance to insure their children are taken care of if he/she/they die.
 
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Looks like the Supremes have had they're say on the issue.
 
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danarhea said:
Seems more like a vote for the insurance companies. They are going to make out like bandits on this. Was it the commerce clause that Roberts expounded?

Does anybody have a link to the actual SCOTUS decision (and not something from a news network)?
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the majority opinion was that the mandate violated the commerce clause, but that it didn't matter, since it was a tax. Which means that while its unconstitutional for the feds to force you into commerce, its not unconstitutional for them to tax you based on your lack of commerce.
 
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danarhea said:
Seems more like a vote for the insurance companies. They are going to make out like bandits on this. Was it the commerce clause that Roberts expounded?
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Um, if eventually they can not turn you down for coverage, how are they going to make out like bandits? The cost of the 'tax' is less than the cost of coverage, so you drop coverage until it is needed, if it is not needed, you still pay less with the 'tax'. This is most likely going to run most insurance companies out of the health care industry.

Then you will end up with big mama government running things. You know, the people that can't pass a simple budget, who ruin just about everything they touch. Our children and grand children are doomed.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Racist speech often hurts because it is intended to act as a catalyst for racist actions.
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Its political speech designed to motivate and help organization based on resentment. That's completely legal.
 
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As somebody who really didn't know much about the healthcare debate and just wanted to see conservatives with eggs all over their faces:

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I for one would like to congratulate Obama for giving the Republicans 2 black eyes in 1 week. Not only did 3/4ths of the Arizona law get struck down, the ENTIRE healthcare mandate has been upheld. You can't make this guy up. Seriously, Republicans would need to essentially bring Jesus down from heaven to run against him. He's Clinton II.

Sorry fellas!
 
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hazlnut said:
Racists in the early 20th century used to have these studies measuring the size of Jewish and black skulls. I would be willing to bet that type of crap-science still gets past around in far-right circles.

The poster to whom I was responding, seemed to, IMO, be dancing around the old racist ideas about blacks being genetically less equal. I believe that as we get closer to November people will start to show their true colors.
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Black people have all of the same capabilities that everyone else has. But that doesn't change the fact that Black people are a special interest group with objectives that can only be satisfied at the expense of other groups of people. It is perfectly legitimate to address this issue and to use it as the basis for political organization.
 
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Here Obama is vehemently denying it's a tax. He even raps Georgie for using the dictionary definition of tax.
 
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Well, did not see this coming.
 
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Hatuey said:
I for one would like to congratulate Obama for giving the Republicans 2 black eyes in 1 week. Not only did 3/4ths of the Arizona law get struck down, the ENTIRE healthcare mandate has been upheld. You can't make this guy up. Seriously, Republicans would need to essentially bring Jesus down from heaven to run against him. He's Clinton II.
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No. They just needed to nominate someone who wasn't his albino cousin. Unfortunately they were too stupid to do that, and so we can look forward to at least four more years of Liberalism in the Oval Office no matter who wins the election.
 
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danarhea said:
Seems more like a vote for the insurance companies. They are going to make out like bandits on this. Was it the commerce clause that Roberts expounded?

Does anybody have a link to the actual SCOTUS decision (and not something from a news network)?
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Nope. The commerce clause argument was found to be unconstitutional. However...they deemed that the penalty is a new tax, and that it falls under the guidelines of the feds ability to tax people. So the government can't force you to buy a commodity, but they can tax you for not owning a commodity.
 
Supreme Court upholds Obama health care mandate

Theres going to be alot of unhappy Tearpartiers out there


The narrowly divided Supreme Court upheld President Obama's health care law Thursday in a complex opinion that gives the president a major election-year victory.


The historic 5-4 decision will affect the way Americans receive and pay for their personal medical care. It upholds the individual mandate that most Americans get health insurance or pay a penalty -- and it was the penalty, or tax, that ultimately saved the law.
Chief Justice John Roberts announced the decision that allows the law to go forward with its aim of covering more than 30 million uninsured Americans. He argued that the mandate is constitutional only because the penalty "functions like a tax" and is therefore allowed under Congress' taxing power.


Supreme Court upholds Obama health care mandate


I TRIED TO DELET REDRESS HONEST....but it wont let me :(
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
The Supremes had their say on Roe v. Wade as well, but the issue didn't die.
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Roe v.Wade still stands. And I had hope this HC bill would go down, but it didn't.

The only hope is if the Repubs can take both houses in the fall and the WH.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Nope. The commerce clause argument was found to be unconstitutional. However...they deemed that the penalty is a new tax, and that it falls under the guidelines of the feds ability to tax people. So the government can't force you to buy a commodity, but they can tax you for not owning a commodity.
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Stupidest ****ing ruling ever, Roberts dropped the ball on this.
 
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morally, as this decision will ensure that many more Americans have health-insurance, I support this law.

but from a purely legal & Constitutional POV, I think this ruling is very weird.
 
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cpwill said:
covering it live on the blog. mods- not sure if this is the best venue, but it was "breaking"

Also, the Stolen Valor Act was declared to be in violation of the First Amendment, so any of you who are fake war heroes can go on telling people how you were a Green Beret Seal who won the Medal of Honor.



Damn. Damn Damn Damn. Apparently they bought that it was a tax, Roberts has sided with the left of the Court.


the Medicaid expansion was "limited but not invalidated"





Seriously, you gotta be F'ing kidding me. Obama spent a year and a half swearing up and down that this wasn't a tax, Congressional leadership following in suit.
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im good with everyone of those decisions....especially the piece of garbage biker in a wheelchair with vietnam vet pins all over him claiming he lost his legs at hamburger hill....pos was never in the military he lost his legs in bike crash...

Cpwill come here...papa got a great big hankie for ya marine LOL ...just wait till obama wins re election your really gonna lose it....then when he lets the bush tax cuts expire oh boy I cant wait ROFL
 
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This is a complete change in the status of corporations. This is the first time the goverment had gone into the business of using law to require all people give money to provate corporations. It's called corporate socialism, whih is radical rightwing, not leftwing. This was a trillion dollar takeaway from every American to corporate insurance industry.

This is an example how much of a sellout and how much hypocrisy of the Obama Administration to the insurance industry (and why the wealthy will contribute a billion to his campaign - which isn't 1/10th of 1% of what a full term will deliver to selected insurance corporations, bankers, Wall Street and selective companies that contribute to the President politically.

How much is President Obama giving to Insurance companies that pay-off the White House? Let's not pretend any of this is legitimate.

10 Health Insurance Companies Get ObamaCare Waivers -- for Their Own Employees | CNSNews.com
 
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Your Star said:
Too bad I was asleep to miss the hilarious gaffe about the coverage. I wanna see a pic of Obama holding a tablet with the "mandate struck down" headline ala Dewey Defeats Truman. :lol:
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lpast said:
im good with everyone of those decisions....especially the piece of garbage biker in a wheelchair with vietnam vet pins all over him claiming he lost his legs at hamburger hill....pos was never in the military he lost his legs in bike crash...

Cpwill come here...papa got a great big hankie for ya marine LOL ...just wait till obama wins re election your really gonna lose it....then when he lets the bush tax cuts expire oh boy I cant wait ROFL
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I'm confused. It seemed like you were saying you liked both rulings but didn't one of the rulings say that hte piece of garbage biker in a wheelchair with vietnam vet pins can still claim he lost his legs at hamburger hill?
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
The Constitution once said that African Americans were only worht 3/5th of a white person.
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A provision created by slave owners.

The fact of the matter is that declining quality in healthcare can be used to rouse and motivate people politically.
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Mass has seen an improvement in quantity and quality.


Al Sharpton tells us that it's ok to divide people and whip up their emotions.
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Racists divide themselves from society, they whip up no one but fellow racists.


This is the way the American political culture works now.
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Populism has been a feature of US politics for a long time.
 
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Tigger said:
No. They just needed to nominate someone who wasn't his albino cousin. Unfortunately they were too stupid to do that, and so we can look forward to at least four more years of Liberalism in the Oval Office no matter who wins the election.
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Well - at least you're honest enough to admit that much. Hey, no hard feelings. We all have the best interests for this country even if we don't agree on which way to go. I'm sure in 4 years I'll be in your shoes wishing Democrats put forward somebody I like.

I did NOT see the decision coming though. I thought parts of it would be struck down for sure. I thought with all the states coming with challenges there had to be parts of it which weren't constitutional. Glad to see Obama and his lawyers did their homework.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Nope. The commerce clause argument was found to be unconstitutional. However...they deemed that the penalty is a new tax, and that it falls under the guidelines of the feds ability to tax people. So the government can't force you to buy a commodity, but they can tax you for not owning a commodity.
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I find it extremely interesting that Roberts would agree with that, since it seems to go against his belief in strict interpretation.
 
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Billy the Kid said:
Roe v.Wade still stands. And I had hope this HC bill would go down, but it didn't.

The only hope is if the Repubs can take both houses in the fall and the WH.
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This decision can be used to stoke resentment. Resentment is an established basis for political organization and action.

President Obama's numbers among white voters can be driven down by stoking resentment among white seniors especially.
 
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