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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

Your post seems contradictory. All people are fine. That doesn't change because of their ideology.

Do you have any sense of humor at all? Either it's going over your head or I am a piss-poor comedian. Probably a combination of both.
 
Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

Spoken like a true outsider who won't have to pay for it.

Spoken like another right wing cheapskate. You all should realize by now that you can't take it with you.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

People aren't being treated equally.

False.


Obamacare reduces the quality of care for most people who have good insurance coverage.

False.


Obamacare brings in millions of the working poor into Medicaid.

False.

Most of the working poor aren't white.

FALSE!!


White numbers are rapidly diminishing in America. Whites are an older and wealthier group than are non-whites.

True. Deal with it.
 
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There is only one United States of America.

There are many different versions of America. As the economic pie shrinks relative to the rest of the world the different versions of America compete for slices of the pie. Some versions of America are hostile to other versions of America. The version of America represented by the Rev. Al Sharpton hates white America and wishes it ill. This is a huge day for African-America.

Btw, what is it that unites Americans? I've often asked this question and never received a cogent answer. No one can articulate a response.
 
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The entire election just became out the Obamacare tax on the middle class and border control. It majorly benefits the GOP. Romney's campaign message is perhaps the clearest in American history.

This is exactly right. I may end up voting for Romney afterall. Though I was of the mindset that Romney & Obama were basically leading us down the same path, and still feel this way, they now finally have something that differentiates them enough for me to consider voting for Romney.
 
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People aren't being treated equally. Obamacare reduces the quality of care for most people who have good insurance coverage. Most of those people are white. Obamacare brings in millions of the working poor into Medicaid. Most of the working poor aren't white. White numbers are rapidly diminishing in America. Whites are an older and wealthier group than are non-whites.

Those working poor haven't been gong to emergency rooms? Your race baiting is not appreciated.
 
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People aren't being treated equally. Obamacare reduces the quality of care for most people who have good insurance coverage. Most of those people are white. Obamacare brings in millions of the working poor into Medicaid. Most of the working poor aren't white. White numbers are rapidly diminishing in America. Whites are an older and wealthier group than are non-whites.

Bringing in the working poor ... treating them equally. Yeah, it's a bad idea.

So these "whites" with their insurance are being ruined? I doubt it. These whites should be treated better but it's not about being treated equally? Really?
 
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:lamo

What a bitter racist.

That's a personal attack. The TOS prohibit personal attacks. Please don't do it again.

Big day for African America at the expense of white seniors.
 
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Btw, what is it that unites Americans? I've often asked this question and never received a cogent answer. No one can articulate a response.
It is called the "C-O-N-S-T-I-T-U-T-I-O-N".
 
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People aren't being treated equally. Obamacare reduces the quality of care for most people who have good insurance coverage. Most of those people are white. Obamacare brings in millions of the working poor into Medicaid. Most of the working poor aren't white. White numbers are rapidly diminishing in America. Whites are an older and wealthier group than are non-whites.

Burn any crosses lately, Albert?
 
Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

I was almost in favor of it getting struck down so that the medicare for all approach could be taken.

i would have vastly preferred medicare for all, and i hope that we head in that direction.
 
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I have a question. I have been extremely busy lately, and haven't had time to read up on this.

Was it a 5-4 decision, with Kennedy being the swing vote?
 
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There are many different versions of America. As the economic pie shrinks relative to the rest of the world the different versions of America compete for slices of the pie. Some versions of America are hostile to other versions of America. The version of America represented by the Rev. Al Sharpton hates white America and wishes it ill. This is a huge day for African-America.

Btw, what is it that unites Americans? I've often asked this question and never received a cogent answer. No one can articulate a response.

Hated of discrimination and racial predjudice is one uniter of Americans. Virtually all of us or our ancestors are not from here.
 
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So this is all about race huh? poor baby. Too bad you are full of shyte:

In 2002, about 71 percent of the working poor were white.
However, the proportions classified as working poor for
blacks (10.5 percent) and Hispanics or Latinos (10.4 percent)
continued to be about twice those of whites (4.5 percent)
and Asians (4.6 percent).​

Please don't attack me personally. I don't believe your numbers. Where is your link?
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

People forget that since Congressional Republicans refused to impose any new taxes on anyone regardless of the reason, what we got in the PPACA was the best compromise our dysfunctional Congress could get. Still, I'll try to put this ruling into perspective.

Those who compared the individual mandate to auto insuance were right. Why? Because what it comes down to is "jurisdiction" and "individual responsibility". Let's see if folks can follow the logic...

You don't need auto insurance unless you buy a vehicle. You register that vehicle within the state where you reside. Your state mandates that you should have auto insurance otherwise, you face paying a fine if you get caught driving without it. Well, the exact same thing will now happen with health insurance. Why was Congress able to do this?

1) The Supreme Court had long ruled that insurance was part of interstate commerce and Congress could regulate certain parts of the insurance market. (1944, SEIA -vs- US)

2) Since Congress has jurisdiction over interstate commerce and has the enumerated power to levy a tax, it determined that the best way to ensure all U.S. citizens received heath care was to cast a wide net and provide as many options as possible for people to get health insuracne on as many levels as possible - private markets thru employers, senior citizens via Medicare, poor people via Medicaid, veterans via the VA, active duty service personnel via Tri-Care. The states also have a stake in the health insurance markets by virtue of implementing the health insurance exchanges. Moreover, they can even start high-risk pools to cover those individuals who have chronic or serious illnesses (i.e., pre-existing conditions).

3) There are opt-out provisions within the PPACA for individuals, businesses, organizations and even the states. All they'd need to do is apply for waivers or in the case of the states to simply opt-out of the federal rules and apply their own thus implementing their own health care system. To my knowledge, despite 26 states filing suit against the PPACA only one state has even tried to submit a waiver - Washington.

It's about legal jurisdiction, not forcing someone to buy something they neither want or need. And it's about finding a practical solution to our nation's health care problem using the process of governance though our federal legislative system to put forward the best methodolgies to solve the health care problem. You may not like it, but Congress acted in a manner which it saw fit under the parisan circumstances. The irony here is many of the provisions of the PPACA including the individual mandate were Republican ideas.
 
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I have a question. I have been extremely busy lately, and haven't had time to read up on this.

Was it a 5-4 decision, with Kennedy being the swing vote?
No, and you better sit down...it was Roberts!
 
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Do you have any sense of humor at all? Either it's going over your head or I am a piss-poor comedian. Probably a combination of both.

Please use emoticons. It helps convey your intent.
 
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I have a question. I have been extremely busy lately, and haven't had time to read up on this.

Was it a 5-4 decision, with Kennedy being the swing vote?

Nope, Kennedy was with those that dissented. Roberts was the swing.
 
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:lamo

What a bitter racist.

As we get closer to November, they will show their true colors.


I've been reading a very detailed history of far-right extremism and racism, the word "communist" has long been associated with civil rights and equality. The protestors in the south shouted, "Go back to Cuba, Nigger lovers."

The code words, "communist", "Marxist" are about race and those who are not comfortable with blacks being equal to whites.

Politics and partisanship are one thing, however the extreme obstructionism in the House and Senate comes from a deeper, darker place--IMO. The tea drinking right has refused to do the work they were hired to do. It's time to put them on notice and replace them with people willing to roll up their sleeves and work.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

False.




False.




False.



FALSE!!




True. Deal with it.

There isn't much I can say to respond to your post because it doesn't contain an explanation for its conclusions.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

That's a personal attack. The TOS prohibit personal attacks. Please don't do it again.

Big day for African America at the expense of white seniors.
you invite being labeled by your own words....are you italian or something?:2razz:
 
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Please don't attack me personally. I don't believe your numbers. Where is your link?
Honestly, the race baiting accomplishes nothing except but make me want post a pic that says "I'm not with stupid".
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

In reading the opinion, I have to note that Chief Justice Roberts voted in a fashion that is wholly consistent with the position he articulated about the role of the Judiciary during his confirmation hearings for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Indeed, the closing paragraph of his opinion echoes his vision of the Judicial Branch's role during confirmation hearings. In the closing paragraph of his opinion, he stated:

The Affordable Care Act’s requirement that certain individuals pay a financial penalty for not obtaining health insurance may reasonably be characterized as a tax. Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness.

In part, he told the Senate Judiciary Committee during his confirmation hearings:

It means an appreciation that the role of the judge is limited; the judge is to decide the cases before them; they're not to legislate; they're not to execute the laws...

I think that general approach results in a modest approach to judging which is good for the legal system as a whole. I don't think the courts should have a dominant role in society and stressing society's problems.

It is their job to say what the law is.
That's what Chief Justice Marshall said, of course, in Marbury v. Madison.

And, yes, there will be times when either the executive branch or the legislative branch exceeds the limits of their powers under the Constitution or transgresses one of provisions of the Bill of Rights. Then it is emphatically the obligation of the courts to step up and say what the Constitution provides, and to strike down either unconstitutional legislation or unconstitutional executive action

But the court has to appreciate that the reason they have that authority is because they are interpreting the law. They are not making policy.

And to the extent they go beyond their confined limits and make policy or execute the law, they lose their legitimacy.
 
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