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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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Gimmesometruth said:
We pay a greater amount for those who have no HI now, we are paying ER rates for those without HI.
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The proper way to fix that problem is to get rid of Ronald Reagan's dreadfully WRONG law stating that hospitals have to treat people who can't pay; NOT to force a National Healthcare system on people.
 
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Tigger said:
I was talking about the current Massachusetts system.

Personally, once my company stops paying for my insurance, I won't have any. I simply won't pay for it under this system. It's that simple.
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I am too, and you still avoid calculating in the cost of HC without HI. Common Care is $118.

Got math?
 
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AdamT said:
White is an age cohort?
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Most of the elderly are white because they were born at a time when America was a white country. Their Medicare benefits are being cut by $500 billion and the money is being transferred to the beneficiaries of Obamacare.
 
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Captain America said:
Funny that we basically wrote the same thing at the same time. You must of went to Smiley High School.
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Correction, "you must have gone to, or attended, etc. " Must of went to" would have made my english/grammar teacher wince...

I hope Tigger and Albert keep us posted on their moves.....might be interesting...:lol:
 
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X Factor said:
I understand totally, I really do. I was in your position after the Brown and Walker elections and after Citizens United. I don't want to deprive you of any joy, so I'll say that I too am pissed off at this decision, but I shouldn't be surprised by it. It's just sad, to me, to see that the Constitution doesn't mean a Goddamn thing anymore and this decision signals the death knell for the idea that there are limits on federal power. I get why some people celebrate that. I just can't.
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Because it doesn't actually mean that. There wasn't actually anything groundbreaking or unprecedented about this healthcare law. The federal government doesn't have astounding new powers. Democracy isn't over. We don't live in a dictatorship. At least not because of this ruling, or a law that was rooted in compromise over our differing political factions, in an attempt to drastically reduce the number of people who die as a consequence of not being able to afford health insurance. A goal that only really evil people would oppose. The fact that this law had to go through such an arduous process is proof that there is still control and accountability. Checks and balances still works.
 
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AdamT said:
Your company isn't going to stop paying for your insurance because of this. In fact they aren't paying for your insurance, period. You are paying for it in the form of lower cash pay.
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This of course assuming that if they weren't giving him insurance that they would be giving him that money in a higher cash pay which is just that...an assumption.
 
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Tigger said:
The proper way to fix that problem is to get rid of Ronald Reagan's dreadfully WRONG law stating that hospitals have to treat people who can't pay; NOT to force a National Healthcare system on people.
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Social Darwinism, "let them die".

What color burka for Tehran?
 
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Masada said:
And essentially, what that does is drive private insurers out of business, which was the goal from the beginning.

"Affordable Care Act" you call it eh? Hmmmm.....does no one pay attention? Health insurance premiums have risen on average in the amount of 18% nationally since the passage of Obamacare. 5 percentage points higher than it was increasing before ObamaCare.

Go talk to someone in the industry. This is driving prices higher, faster, not the other way around. Gone are the days of $500 deductibles. Why? Because no one can afford the premiums with such a low deductible.

Yes indeed, this is the beginning of the end for private insurance companies. Precisely what liberals are trying to do.
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WOW!!Now its"affordable Care Act" ? What happened to Obamacare?:lamo
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
It looks like states may be able to opt out of this without the feds being able to wit hold Medicaid funds from them, this little sub opinion may in actuality be the biggest opinion that makes obama care an impotent threat.
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If they opt out of the Medicaid expansion they wil be refusing the additional money too. When is the last time you saw States turn down Fed money?
 
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zgoldsmith23 said:
Well guess what?! We will find out - won't we?! :lol:
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Actually this angle can be used to whip up emotions. This will increase the bitter divisions in America won't it?
 
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AdamT said:
Your company isn't going to stop paying for your insurance because of this. In fact they aren't paying for your insurance, period. You are paying for it in the form of lower cash pay.
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Actually considering the "Cadilac" provision and what our current policies cost, they may very well chose to either get rid of or seriously reduce the policies when our contract comes up next year. They are right on the edge of incurring the penalties for having "Cadilac" plans and there's no way on Earth this company is going to pay those fines for a 16,000 person workforce.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
My appendix ruptured at the age of 19. All the bills added up to 20,000 dollars. Insurance doesn't seem so expensive and unnecessary after that.
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I carry and always have carried insurance. Your anecdotal example aside, there are a whole lot of people today that DONT carry insurance...many by choice, many because they feel they cant afford it (I disagree with most of them BTW...get rid of your cell phone, cable, video games, budget appropriately, and you likely CAN afford insurance. And SHOULD). Regardless...they are now MANDATED to do so.

I'm not all that upset about this, primarily because I am a realist. I saw this coming a long time ago. Reality is, this is just a beginning. Id bet good money that by 2016 we will see universal healthcare implemented, as well as the elimination of medicare, medicaid, and the beginning of the shut-down of veterans administration hospitals, military hospitals, etc. Ive said from the beginning that it isnt about health care reform, its about where the reform is. People are gleeful about trusting the federal government...an entity that cant so much as pass a budget or agree on simple deficit reductions and that is 16 trillion in debt and climbing...with the management of 'healthcare'. Brilliant.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
I guess I can live with it. My plan is to buy health insurance based on these two conditions:

1) If I am not sick/injured then pay the ($400?) IRS fine. That is only $34/month or a bit over $1/day.

2) If I am sick/injured then buy insurance, paying premiums ONLY while getting treatment and then cancel the policy ASAP.
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So basically you are on the level of a Medicare cheat?
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
You think conservatives are lesser human beings than liberals?
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Not lesser human beings, per se. Just empty headed assholes, mostly.

But my opinion of liberals isn't much different. I'm referring to the outer fringes of each ideology, of course. The people in the moderate middle, both liberals and conservatives, appear to have MUCH grey matter in their skulls. They would be much harder to clean up after. But we don't see their head's exploding so no worries mate.
 
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Roberts wrote. "Congress has no authority to order the States to regulate according to its instructions. Congress may offer the States grants and require the States to comply with accompanying conditions, but the States must have a genuine choice whether to accept the offer. The States are given no such choice in this case: They must either accept a basic change in the nature of Medicaid, or risk losing all Medicaid funding. The remedy for that constitutional violation is to preclude the Federal Government from imposing such a sanction."
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Roberts redeems himself as a true conservative (not a TeaBrain) and protector of the integrity of the court.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
You think conservatives are lesser human beings than liberals?
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of course they are, but not by much....and liberals heads are usually full of wine and cheese....
 
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Kushinator said:
Not at all. But they seem to embody the herd mentality.
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The first sentence of your post goes in one direction, but is cancelled out by the second sentence of your post. Is that what you intended?
 
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poweRob said:
There there now...
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There is no "there, there" about it.
It is a horrible day for the Country.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Great argument. Because we have SOME stupid tax laws we need some more. ;-)
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How can you people not get the difference between these two things? If I don't get a deduction I still don't have to pay anything unless I was already obligated to do so. The distinction is huge and the ramifications are huge because you can't make a deduction a deterrent, only a motivator. A motivator is limited by what you're willing to give to motivate people. A deterrent (IE, the tax) is only limited by the willingness of people to comply. If you want people to buy electric cars but someone REALLY doesn't want one, what do you think is more devastating to them? Making it so people who don't buy it DON'T receive $10,000 or requiring people to PAY $10,000 out of their pockets for not purchasing it?

Seriously, no distinction seen there AT ALL? Eh Roberts? No? Maybe I'm just crazy but that seems like a huge distinction to me.
 
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Republic Now! said:
Gee, I don't know, is it judicial activism to point out that the individual mandate is not a tax in the bill?

Also, how the **** can it be judicial activism if it isn't actually applied?
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Here, a judge would never write such a strongly worded dissent. That was my point, it reads like a partisan hack would write. Is this normal? I'm guessing so.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
Actually this angle can be used to whip up emotions. This will increase the bitter divisions in America won't it?
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Or you can grow up and deal with it ... like I said.
 
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Tigger said:
I was talking about the current Massachusetts system.

Personally, once my company stops paying for my insurance, I won't have any. I simply won't pay for it under this system. It's that simple.
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It always about the money with Conservatives. Why are you all so CHEAP?
 
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I just learned that in 2014 if I don't buy insurance I have to pay a $90.00 fine BUT if I get sick insurance companies have to let me sign up for full coverage. WOW, works for ME! What a great deal, I LOVE IT! I am now for obamacare, God bless Obama and God help America.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Social Darwinism, "let them die".

What color burka for Tehran?
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Yep. Social Darwinism. Very simple and incredibly effective.

I'm partial to both blue and green for most of my wardrobe.
 
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