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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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AdamT said:
The MA plan is very popular in MA. You have near universal coverage and very few people actually pay the penalty to avoid buying insurance.
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BULL****!!!!! You come here and ask the TAX PAYING members of the general public what they think of it and you'll get a very different viewpoint than what you think, Adam.

People don't pay the $900 penalty because they're paying $1800-2500 a year in premiums. They'd actually be better of paying the FINE, but the state uses enough smoke and mirrors to keep most people from realizing that.
 
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IMHO it should be legal as long as hospital ERs HAVE to treat everyone regardless of their ability to pay. A more legal solution would have been to strike down the mandate and concurrently strike down uninsured treatment at ERs. Then have an agent at every ER in America that makes patients sign over their right not to have coverage for life as a condition of treatment.

I wonder how this will affect the 2012 election. I heard a report saying whichever side loses will be fired up the most in November.

I'll also say it now; I don't think the people all worked up over the constitutionality of Obamacare were really concerned in principle about its constitutionality. I think they simply wanted him to fail as POTUS and this was his key domestic policy initiative. "I'm middle-class or better. You shouldn't be able to make ME have health insurance when I don't want it." Yeah right! The same exact people who say they don't want to be forced to have health insurance actually have health insurance and see their doctors regularly. And they also pay for the uninsured in the form of higher premiums, exorbitant ER visits to subsidize the uninsured who use the ER as their family doctor and $10 a pill Tylenol when admitted to the hospital to underwrite the hospital costs of the uninsured.
 
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The only way this was found constitutional is because obama admitted he lied to the American people in the first place to get the law passed, Yes it is a NEW TAX!
 
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Captain America said:
You bring me great enjoyment. I am absolutely loving this.
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You're an embarassment to that screenname and the character it represents, Cap.
 
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Tigger said:
BULL****!!!!! You come here and ask the TAX PAYING members of the general public what they think of it and you'll get a very different viewpoint than what you think, Adam.

People don't pay the $900 penalty because they're paying $1800-2500 a year in premiums. They'd actually be better of paying the FINE, but the state uses enough smoke and mirrors to keep most people from realizing that.
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You think they only poll people who don't pay taxes? :lol:

But you're right -- they don't pay the fine because they're buying insurance and thus not costing tax payers money to pay for their health care. That's how its supposed to work.
 
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Honestly can say that I am surprised that all the bill was passed. I thought that majority would fall into the idea of keeping it because of a tax.
 
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justabubba said:
such a racist post
you refuse to recognize that the white, hispanic, asian, Native American underclass will also benefit from the availability of health care
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Huge victory for African America at the expense of White America.
 
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missypea said:
This is what I was looking for. Thank you Don!!! :2wave:
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I want to read Scalia's dissent. No wonder he was pissed off earlier.
 
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Tigger said:
How do you figure that, since I can almost GUARANTEE that when our Union Contract is up next year the Company I work for is going to do everything in their power to limit or take our health insurance benefit away from us due to the "Cadilac" healthcare provision in this bill?
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and shame on the union if it allows that to result
didn't you tell us you were a union official?
 
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AdamT said:
Think of any existing tax deduction.
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Do you understand the difference between a positive and negative? Not losing an obligation you ALREADY HAVE is completely different than a new obligation.
 
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Sox04 said:
This is a great day for the United States
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Are you sure it's a great day for USA? Business Insider says the supreme court shocked the country.
 
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Tigger said:
I was thinking more about Iran, to be honest with you.
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It's funny because he is insinuating that Americw is either a dictatorship, theocracy, or totalitarian state!
 
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Republic Now! said:
Roberts was the one who did. 5-4 decision.

John goddamn Roberts.
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i do think we now know how Roberts is going to vote in november
 
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To those against this law - They've ruled it constitutional only because they reasonably consider it a 'tax'

definition of tax: a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.

I agree that the penalty is a tax. A tax does not (obviously) have to affect all people equally.

Don't blame SCOTUS - the conservative justices who may disagree with the fairness of the law itself did a very honorable thing by doing exactly what their job says they should do - uphold the constitution.

instead, be angry at the people for electing representatives who believe that THIS is how we want the constitution to be used. Or to a further point: that this (congress has the ability to tax) is what we want our constitution to say.
 
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I guess I can live with it. My plan is to buy health insurance based on these two conditions:

1) If I am not sick/injured then pay the ($400?) IRS fine. That is only $34/month or a bit over $1/day.

2) If I am sick/injured then buy insurance, paying premiums ONLY while getting treatment and then cancel the policy ASAP.
 
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Republic Now! said:
Do you understand the difference between a positive and negative? Not losing an obligation you ALREADY HAVE is completely different than a new obligation.
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No, it's the same thing. If you don't own a home, for example, then you are paying for the mortgage interest deduction that homeowners get, because if they weren't getting that deduction your taxes would be lower (or you would get more services). So the mortgage interest deduction is a MANDATE to buy a house in exactly the same way that this is a mandate to buy insurance.
 
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VanceMack said:
While everyone is beginning their victory dance, you DO realize that even if you are young, relatively healthy, and dont WANT to buy insurance (or are not in a secure place financially) that now you MUST and if you dont they can penalize you...right?

Ive said all along...This isnt a bad idea...where/when implemented by the STATES. At the fed level? We have no idea how bad it is going to be financially. SO...again...

pop the cork baby.
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My appendix ruptured at the age of 19. All the bills added up to 20,000 dollars. Insurance doesn't seem so expensive and unnecessary after that.
 
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AdamT said:
You think they only poll people who don't pay taxes? :lol:
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No, but I do believe that they markedly poll more people who have a Leftist lean in this state (which isn't hard since I can count the actual CONSERVATIVES in this state on one hand).

AdamT said:
But you're right -- they don't pay the fine because they're buying insurance and thus not costing tax payers money to pay for their health care. That's how its supposed to work.
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Yep. They're paying roughly $2000 and getting less coverage than they would be required to get if they were paying the $900 fine. That's pretty damn stupid if you ask me. I know more than a few people who are on MassHealth and a couple of these other plans. The ones that are anywhere close to the $900 fine level cover almost NOTHING. To get any amount of insurance these people are paying several times that, and still getting below average coverage.
 
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