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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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From what I understand, they ruled the individual mandate of health insurance fine as a tax (which in Obama's rhetoric he denied). I do not believe the courts can rule a tax as unconstitutional until it has been charged.

I also understand that the federal government forcing states to expand Medicaid was struck down as unconstitutional.
 
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Sore loser much?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form.

The mission statement of the United States is such that this federal government must be un-made if we are to hold to it.
 
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I think it means they can opt out of the healthcare exchange part without losing existing Medicare funding. I don't think it means that anyone can avoid the mandate.

Thanx for clarification, if it meant the states could opt out I just don't see how that would not have killed the bill entirely
 
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Sore loser much?

more fatalist/pessimist. conservatives tend not to share liberals fond belief that Washington has a Magic Money Tree that will always provide enough revenue.
 
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This is a major victory for African America because the Black Underclass will now be the major beneficiary of the transfer of wealth from the White Middle Class. This helps Black people at the expense of White people.

Nonsense. The Act primarily benefits the working class -- more white people than black people.
 
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This is a major victory for African America because the Black Underclass will now be the major beneficiary of the transfer of wealth from the White Middle Class. This helps Black people at the expense of White people.

Get that from Stormfront?

Good to know what you're really worried about. Sieg Heil!
 
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more fatalist/pessimist. conservatives tend not to share liberals fond belief that Washington has a Magic Money Tree that will always provide enough revenue.

Conservatives tend to be sore losers who make silly threats of armed revolution whenever they lose an argument.
 
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They're gonna need it, because trust me some of us are not going to take this crap lying down.

What are ya gonna do? Write a blog?
 
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There are parts of the bill that are pretty popular with the public. The mandate isn't one of them and that's what everyone thinks when they hear "Obamacare." So Romney's problem would be repealing the unpopular parts, and keeping the popular parts in place, or he's gonna get hammered in 2016 for taking away the popular parts.

Romney knows damned well that the popular parts can't stand without the mandate. That's why he created the mandate in MA.
 
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nah. the thing that is impossible about Obamacare is fully implementing it - 2700 pages, all the regulations still haven't been written, more than half the states havent' even started getting ready to set up exchanges, and the cost will collapse the federal fisc. A simple "repeal" bill with a presidential signature is pretty simple, as would be giving out a waiver to all 50 states. Hell, Obama has set a precedent with Amnesty, Romney could just declare that he has ordered the IRS and HHS not to enforce the ACA.

2700 pages means diddly dude. The game is over, you can stop with the talking points.

As far as the executive order idea, there are limits to it. It's one thing to order limited resources to focus on certain things. It can't be used to simply change the tax code, and now that this is officially a tax, Romney wouldn't be able to just change that with a declaration, unless you want him to be a dictator.
 
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And on the upside, this decision will bring us toward insolvency at an accelerated rate, at which point the reset button will be engaged.

You've just seen the first major step in the 21st Century version of The Intollerable Acts. Here's hoping that this time we get it right after we overthrow the Government and re-write the Constitution the PROPER way so it cannot be misinterpreted.
 
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From liveblog @1032.


In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.

I've always thought of the fine as a tax/levy, strange that this was never discussed before this decision.
 
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form.

The mission statement of the United States is such that this federal government must be un-made if we are to hold to it.

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Still waiting on actual opinion to go live.
 
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You've just seen the first major step in the 21st Century version of The Intollerable Acts. Here's hoping that this time we get it right after we overthrow the Government and re-write the Constitution the PROPER way so it cannot be misinterpreted.

So much for protecting the Constitution, eh? If it doesn't satisfy your political view, just tear it up and start over. :lol:
 
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Conservatives tend to be sore losers who make silly threats of armed revolution whenever they lose an argument.

Neither secession nor revolution necessitates warfare.

I want my state to secede from this nation, as it has completely abandoned the rule of law and its founding principles. The entity tasked with upholding the rule of law has been grossly negligent for nearly a century. The system is completely broken.


So much for protecting the Constitution, eh? If it doesn't satisfy your political view, just tear it up and start over. :lol:

Aside from physically protecting the piece of paper in the National Archives behind a glass case, this country does not protect the Constitution and we effectively do not have one. This ruling, like so many, many others, makes that crystal clear.
 
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20 bucks says some dip**** TP legislator in Texas tries to secede.
 
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I've always thought of the fine as a tax/levy, strange that this was never discussed before this decision.

It actually was discussed at length, and argued in briefs and before the Court.
 
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Nonsense. The Act primarily benefits the working class -- more white people than black people.

How do you figure that, since I can almost GUARANTEE that when our Union Contract is up next year the Company I work for is going to do everything in their power to limit or take our health insurance benefit away from us due to the "Cadilac" healthcare provision in this bill?
 
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Conservatives tend to be sore losers who make silly threats of armed revolution whenever they lose an argument.

It is NOT 2014 yet. What congress adds as a "tax" they can just as easily repeal. This is nonsense and unpopular, so it is not likely to remain the "law of the land". I like the idea actually, of being able to buy insurance ANY TIME, even if I am sick, use the benefits and then cancel the policy immediatley after treatment. This will bankrupt the medical insurance industry in short order. ;-)
 
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Roberts was the one who did. 5-4 decision.

John goddamn Roberts.
 
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Neither secession nor revolution necessitates warfare.

I want my state to secede from this nation, as it has completely abandoned the rule of law and its founding principles. The entity tasked with upholding the rule of law has been grossly negligent for nearly a century. The system is completely broken.

There is no chance that a state will be allowed to secede. Fugetaboutit.
 
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I think Republican's in the house are going to have to man up now and actually refuse to fund it. I think they're all shaking in their boots, Dems and Rep alike at the notion that they will actually have to picka side on this one.


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Roberts was the one who did. 5-4 decision.

John goddamn Roberts.

I heard it was 6-3.
 
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You've just seen the first major step in the 21st Century version of The Intollerable Acts. Here's hoping that this time we get it right after we overthrow the Government and re-write the Constitution the PROPER way so it cannot be misinterpreted.

You're going to re-write the constitution to where the government can't tax people at all? That's ridiculous.
 
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