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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    Your words reveal you. Is it just my right to private property that you refer to as an antiquated narrow view? Do you view other acts of theft and violence in the same expansive way?
    You have no right to gamble on your health coverage, no. That gamble may end up requiring a "bailout". Are you pro-bailouts?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You have no right to gamble on your health coverage, no. That gamble may end up requiring a "bailout". Are you pro-bailouts?
    You really do not understand private property do you? Or are you just a very young child with no real experience making decisions about your needs and future?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I just want to say how proud I am of Chief Justice Roberts for putting his political ideology aside and doing the right thing. This is the first time in years that I've felt like our government can actually accomplish something meaningful.

    On the substance, it's pretty much a sweeping win for Obama. The court did offer conservatives a couple token olive branches which don't significantly impact the law itself: They ruled that forcing people to buy things is not permitted under the Interstate Commerce Clause (although they also said that this isn't what the law does), and they ruled that states have the right to turn down the Medicaid expansion without jeopardizing their existing funds.

    At first I was a bit shocked by their Medicaid decision...I didn't think that would be controversial at all and expected it to be widely upheld. But after I thought about it I'm actually OK with it, because states would be turning down the deal of a century if they chose not to expand Medicaid. They're getting a 100% match from the federal government. Virtually all of the blue states and swing states will of course choose to do so. The red states may "opt out" of the expansion in the short term, while they're still fuming over this decision...but I suspect that they'll quietly get on board in a couple years when the furor dies down. So it sucks that people without health insurance living in Republican states may have to go without health insurance for a couple extra years, but in the grand scheme of things that's a price worth paying for this great Supreme Court decision.

    All in all, a great day for the Supreme Court's credibility, and a great day for the United States of America.
    Unlike the federal gov't (that now spends 40% more than it taxes), states must TAX to spend, as they must balance budgets (remember when the federl gov't last did that?). So a state, like Texas, must ACTUALLY take from the taxpayers to give to the poor, doubling the medicaid spending is not FREE to the state, they must double their spending too, to get those "free" matching federal funds. Get real!
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Unlike the federal gov't states must TAX to spend, as they must balance budgets (remember when the federl gov't last did that?). So a state, like Texas, must ACTUALLY take from the taxpayers to give to the poor, doubling the medicaid spending is not FREE to the state, they must double their spending too, to get those "free" matching federal funds. Get real!
    Nothing is free. Taxpayers pay for that as well. Not sure you're making a proper distinction.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Translation: no, I don't have a cite. I just pulled it out of my ass.

    You don't have to pay the whole premium at once. I believe the credit is parceled out over the course of the year, but I'd have to check.

    Pot.....kettle.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nothing is free. Taxpayers pay for that as well. Not sure you're making a proper distinction.
    So would you support a bill requiring those on welfare to pay it back then?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    So your willing to pay for the poors medical..........What about a job, car to get to the job, food, a house to live in.............Where does it end for you socialists?
    It ends with a decent job for everyone that wants one, and food and housing for all. The Constitution gives us the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That's a problem to you?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I just want to say how proud I am of Chief Justice Roberts for putting his political ideology aside and doing the right thing. This is the first time in years that I've felt like our government can actually accomplish something meaningful.

    On the substance, it's pretty much a sweeping win for Obama. The court did offer conservatives a couple token olive branches which don't significantly impact the law itself: They ruled that forcing people to buy things is not permitted under the Interstate Commerce Clause (although they also said that this isn't what the law does), and they ruled that states have the right to turn down the Medicaid expansion without jeopardizing their existing funds.

    At first I was a bit shocked by their Medicaid decision...I didn't think that would be controversial at all and expected it to be widely upheld. But after I thought about it I'm actually OK with it, because states would be turning down the deal of a century if they chose not to expand Medicaid. They're getting a 100% match from the federal government. Virtually all of the blue states and swing states will of course choose to do so. The red states may "opt out" of the expansion in the short term, while they're still fuming over this decision...but I suspect that they'll quietly get on board in a couple years when the furor dies down. So it sucks that people without health insurance living in Republican states may have to go without health insurance for a couple extra years, but in the grand scheme of things that's a price worth paying for this great Supreme Court decision.

    All in all, a great day for the Supreme Court's credibility, and a great day for the United States of America.
    I’ll hold out a while longer and just wait for social conservatives to use this new power in a way that liberals hate. Then people will be crying about government overreach and what a bad day it is for America.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    So your willing to pay for the poors medical..........What about a job, car to get to the job, food, a house to live in.............Where does it end for you socialists?
    the poor already have cars, they live in them, you said it yourself....
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Unlike the federal gov't (that now spends 40% more than it taxes), states must TAX to spend, as they must balance budgets (remember when the federl gov't last did that?). So a state, like Texas, must ACTUALLY take from the taxpayers to give to the poor, doubling the medicaid spending is not FREE to the state, they must double their spending too, to get those "free" matching federal funds. Get real!
    Double? Are you trying to argue that TX pays all fed spending?

    In the words of the poster Conservative: You need a math class.
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