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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Any decision that limits the scope, reach and power of the federal government is likely to be a good, constitutional decision. Any decision that increases the scope, reach and power of the federal government is likely to be a bad decision harmful to the citizens.
    I think prudence and historical insight shows that it would be difficult to say that with blanket assertions.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Cute propaganda, it says "It will also provide sliding scale premium tax credits for families that still cannot afford quality health insurance." It doesn't reference the section of the bill that says that AND it doesn't reference reduced premium, just tax credits. Tax "credits" don't help those who don't have the money in the first place.
    Dude, it is in the bill.

    No one said anything about reduced premiums. It works through tax credits. You obviously don't know what a tax credit is. If you owe no income tax and have a tax credit, you get a check in the amount of the credit from the government. That's the distinction between a credit and a deduction.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You have the cart before the horse again, they get the tax credits and therefore have a reduced FEDERAL tax burden. They were paying all of their taxes throughout the year.
    You're not getting it, this isn't for families with a good income, the ones who pay taxes. This is for the families that cannot afford insurance. Chances are good if they cannot afford insurance they aren't paying [federal] taxes in the first place. So a tax credit isn't going to help them one bit.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Every problem that develops with anyone's health care will now be blamed on Obamacare because it will be in effect. People will assume direct causation for increased costs and decreased quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Whatever fake outrage they can muster is nothing more than a ploy to get obummer out.
    Or it is because they are invested in investigating public policy as policy experts or former assistant secretaries, even if it comes from a typically moderate Conservative disposition.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Dude, it is in the bill.
    so is the IPAB, but you all keep saying it's not.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Fair enough I just missed it. I don't know any conservatives in real life that were happy about the recent campaign finance decision, nor the original Citizen's United decision. I see these decisions as being like the Kelo decision, hated across party lines.
    Cons have forgotten that they used to be in favor of disclosure in political contributions, correctly pointing out that it would decrease corruption.....but now WANT no disclosure.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I think prudence and historical insight shows that it would be difficult to say that with blanket assertions.
    But that is the way to bet.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Cons have forgotten that they used to be in favor of disclosure in political contributions, correctly pointing out that it would decrease corruption.....but now WANT no disclosure.
    Just following liberal lead.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    so is the IPAB, but you all keep saying it's not.
    Show me where I have ever said it's not.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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