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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That money=free speech, including corporations? That was and is a big one here. Heck, I joined in with the belief it was a good ruling.
    Fair enough I just missed it. I don't know any conservatives in real life that were happy about the recent campaign finance decision, nor the original Citizen's United decision. I see these decisions as being like the Kelo decision, hated across party lines.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    So I take it with 800+ replies we get conservatives who are lambasting the Justices for getting the constitution or the shape of government wrong while they hailed the sense of the decisions coming beforehand like campaign finance. Then liberals here must be praising the court for its sensibility over the shape of government after calling into question their legitimacy regarding such matters as campaign finance.
    Any decision that limits the scope, reach and power of the federal government is likely to be a good, constitutional decision. Any decision that increases the scope, reach and power of the federal government is likely to be a bad decision harmful to the citizens.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]


    A government of laws, some I agree with & some I don't. But trust the word of Insurence companies, Hell No!!!
    I don't, for example agree with the courts ruling on Citizens United, as it allows for the very wealthy to buy the government. It's my personal opinion that all outside money should be kept out of politics, ALL including personal, union, PAC', Corporations With elections financed by Tax check-off. Barring that all political donations should go in one kitty & be evenly divided amoung the candidates.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    When It Comes To Paying Taxes, Big Oil Takes The Biggest Hit - Forbes



    Oil companies pay TONS. I do think Ag is getting too much in subsidies and I live in downstate Illinois.

    Do you think the teetering economy can afford another fiscal cliff at this point and time? Because I do not. As far as working out care, government could be working to get prices lower, this law certainly isnt going to do it. Everyone's care will wind up either taxed or subsidized and thats not a good way to drive down costs.
    ObamaCare is not about costs, it is about control.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Welcome to the wonderful world of gov't defined "fairness". That's right SIR you NEED birth control, maternity and OBGYN care coverage, Obama told us so, even if you are 62 and single.
    LOL. Yeah. I know. What a farce.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and should my insurance company be able to opt-out of covering cancer treatment?
    So long as they're up front about what is and isn't included in the policy before you sign for it, sure.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I would suggest you look at National Affairs as well as The Weekly Standard to see where the pulse of neoconservatives and their friends/allies is. They have for the most part have been pretty critical of the Act and it's possible/probably unintended consequences.
    Whatever fake outrage they can muster is nothing more than a ploy to get obummer out.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Next we will make sure everyone has a job, then make sure everyone has a car to drive to that job, then a house to live in, then food to eat all paide for by the tax payer.....our republic will be gone and its called socialism....Exactly what the socialist Hussein Obama wants.....
    You cons keep forgetting, this was a con plan to get people into purchasing insurance from PRIVATE ins corporations.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    I see you have been using progressive spin sites for sources again.

    When It Comes To Paying Taxes, Big Oil Takes The Biggest Hit - Forbes
    LOL

    I see you found the only source on the internets that says Exxon's tax rate was over 20% in the last two years. How do they get such a big number? They take Exxon's reports at face value. Any problem with that? Uh, yeah, Exxon includes every conceivable tax in their report, including taxes they don't pay, like payroll taxes and sales taxes.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You read part of the bill and you've drawn a conclusion about the whole bill.... Mkay.
    Cute propaganda, it says "It will also provide sliding scale premium tax credits for families that still cannot afford quality health insurance." It doesn't reference the section of the bill that says that AND it doesn't reference reduced premium, just tax credits. Tax "credits" don't help those who don't have the money in the first place.
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Looks like it was a bad day for whackos. Step ahead for the sane people though, despite the contortions that Legislator-from-the-Bench-in-Chief Roberts had to go thorugh to wind up where he did.

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