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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    It's really f--ked up morals, IMO. Give to the rich and successful and let the poor die.
    "Give" to no one and let adults be adults.

    What's effed up is your insistence upon thinking of adults like they're helpless infants.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    is that a bad thing?
    health-insurance companies will now be required to pay for the treatment of all illnesses. how can this be seen as anything but good?
    Because a wide variety of very expensive medical treatments are a result of lifestyle choices.
    Good drivers get benefits, bad drivers get penalties and eventually dropped. Seems reasonable right?

    In this case, people who abuse their bodies (no exercise, obese, smoker, risk takers, etc.) may then be subsidized by the people who are not that way.

    I do like subsidizing someone who has an illness, that's what insurance is for. I don't like incentivizing poor health lifestyle choices, nor do I like actually paying for that incentive.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Great day for the country. The more people that we have insured the better off we all are.
    Next we will make sure everyone has a job, then make sure everyone has a car to drive to that job, then a house to live in, then food to eat all paide for by the tax payer.....our republic will be gone and its called socialism....Exactly what the socialist Hussein Obama wants.....
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Those "death panels" are a myth made up by idiots. Don't throw your hat in with them.
    Really? There are 150 new bureaucracies waiting to be created. Among them are panels of bureaucrats who will determine the levels of care that are appropriate for groups and individuals. Their purpose is to ration care. Death panels. Vote for democrats or die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Roberts. i remember when he was nominated that he was very "pro government". Now we find out just how pro government he is.
    I would suggest you look at National Affairs as well as The Weekly Standard to see where the pulse of neoconservatives and their friends/allies is. They have for the most part have been pretty critical of the Act and it's possible/probably unintended consequences.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You don't complaint about giving money to corporate farms or oil companies in the form of tax credits... why do you far-rigties bitch so much about giving a few of pennies your taxes to help provide a standard of living for poor families?

    Seems all backwards if you ask me.

    It's really f--ked up morals, IMO. Give to the rich and successful and let the poor die.
    When It Comes To Paying Taxes, Big Oil Takes The Biggest Hit - Forbes

    ExxonMobil in 2011 made $27.3 billion in cash payments for income taxes. Chevron paid $17 billion and ConocoPhillips $10.6 billion. And not only were these the highest amounts in absolute terms, when compared with the rest of the 25 most profitable U.S. companies (see our slideshow for the full rundown of who paid what), the trio also had the highest effective tax rates. Exxon’s tax rate was 42.9%, Chevron’s was 48.3% and Conoco’s was 41.5%. That’s even higher than the 35% U.S. federal statutory rate, which is already the highest tax rate among developed nations.
    Oil companies pay TONS. I do think Ag is getting too much in subsidies and I live in downstate Illinois.

    Do you think the teetering economy can afford another fiscal cliff at this point and time? Because I do not. As far as working out care, government could be working to get prices lower, this law certainly isnt going to do it. Everyone's care will wind up either taxed or subsidized and thats not a good way to drive down costs.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You don't complaint about giving money to corporate farms or oil companies in the form of tax credits... why do you far-rigties bitch so much about giving a few of pennies your taxes to help provide a standard of living for poor families?

    Seems all backwards if you ask me.

    It's really f--ked up morals, IMO. Give to the rich and successful and let the poor die.
    Odd logic there. Do the poor not benefit more from subsidized food and fuel more than the rich? As long as it is outright income redistribution it is fair and just, yet if ANY non-poor benefit it is unfair and greedy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Next we will make sure everyone has a job, then make sure everyone has a car to drive to that job, then a house to live in, then food to eat all paide for by the tax payer.....our republic will be gone and its called socialism....Exactly what the socialist Hussein Obama wants.....
    It's all there in FDR's Bill of Entitlements.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's the funniest thing I've ever read. A family that cannot afford health insurance isn't going to benefit from tax credit as they probably have no federal tax burden to begin with.
    You have the cart before the horse again, they get the tax credits and therefore have a reduced FEDERAL tax burden. They were paying all of their taxes throughout the year.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You don't complaint about giving money to corporate farms or oil companies in the form of tax credits... why do you far-rigties bitch so much about giving a few of pennies your taxes to help provide a standard of living for poor families?

    Seems all backwards if you ask me.

    It's really f--ked up morals, IMO. Give to the rich and successful and let the poor die.
    $4 grand per average middle class family? That's pennies to you? Not to me.
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