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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You read part of the bill and you've drawn a conclusion about the whole bill.... Mkay.
    KEYWORD is FAMILIES, as usual John Q. Public needs a dependent to get Uncle Sugar to give him some "love" money.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You read part of the bill and you've drawn a conclusion about the whole bill.... Mkay.

    The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will require premium rate reviews to track any arbitrary
    premium increases and will crack down on excessive insurance overhead by applying standards on how much insurance companies can spend on non-medical costs, such as bureaucracy and advertising. It will also provide sliding scale premium tax credits for families that still cannot afford quality health insurance.
    http://dpc.senate.gov/healthreformbill/healthbill30.pdf
    That's the funniest thing I've ever read. A family that cannot afford health insurance isn't going to benefit from tax credit as they probably have no federal tax burden to begin with.

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    So I take it with 800+ replies we get conservatives who are lambasting the Justices for getting the constitution or the shape of government wrong while they hailed the sense of the decisions coming beforehand like campaign finance. Then liberals here must be praising the court for its sensibility over the shape of government after calling into question their legitimacy regarding such matters as campaign finance.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and should my insurance company be able to opt-out of covering cancer treatment?
    You really do not understand private property do you?

    You are entering into a contract with a private company to buy a service they are selling. The service, if this was insurance, would be a transfer of some of your risk to the insurance company in return for a small fee. Instead it is pre-paid health care. And you now have the government telling you that you must buy a government mandated policy with coverage a bureaucrat has decided you must have. And further the government is mandating that a private company must sell you a policy that they have no control over at a price some bureaucrat says they must charge.

    There is no more right to private property. We are doomed.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Uh, Exxon pays around 15%.
    I see you have been using progressive spin sites for sources again.

    When It Comes To Paying Taxes, Big Oil Takes The Biggest Hit - Forbes
    ExxonMobil in 2011 made $27.3 billion in cash payments for income taxes. Chevron paid $17 billion and ConocoPhillips $10.6 billion. And not only were these the highest amounts in absolute terms, when compared with the rest of the 25 most profitable U.S. companies (see our slideshow for the full rundown of who paid what), the trio also had the highest effective tax rates. Exxon’s tax rate was 42.9%, Chevron’s was 48.3% and Conoco’s was 41.5%. That’s even higher than the 35% U.S. federal statutory rate, which is already the highest tax rate among developed nations.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    ...There is no more right to private property. We are doomed.
    my friend, we are gonna be just fine.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's the funniest thing I've ever read. A family that cannot afford health insurance isn't going to benefit from tax credit as they probably have no federal tax burden to begin with.


    Yep, free money from suckers like you and me.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's the funniest thing I've ever read. A family that cannot afford health insurance isn't going to benefit from tax credit as they probably have no federal tax burden to begin with.
    Why don't you read the entire post - clownboy?

    Why do you cherry pick things out of context and then attack them?

    Try some honest debate for once.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Neocon shill shows you that the government owns your soul, and can get away with anything as long as they make you pay for whatever it is you are forced to do, let's just call it "a chain", er, i mean "a tax".

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    So I take it with 800+ replies we get conservatives who are lambasting the Justices for getting the constitution or the shape of government wrong while they hailed the sense of the decisions coming beforehand like campaign finance. Then liberals here must be praising the court for its sensibility over the shape of government after calling into question their legitimacy regarding such matters as campaign finance.
    Well, Fiddy, I dont like it, but I see the way out as a political solution. They voted it in, we vote it out. Its really that simple.

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