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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It doesn't apply to all ... again ... but it applies more broadly because that's not all it does. It also eliminats pre existing condition exclusions, removes lifetime limits, lowers costs for self employed persons, gives more choice to those with employer provided insurance, allows people up to age 26 to remain on their parents' insurance, provides for electronic records, and also contains many cost containment pilot programs.
    I can tell you the bolded part at least is a load of manure. Again, for the third time, my premiums have been raised three times since the passage of Obamacare.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, there is. The more you make the more you pay.
    I read over major sections of the HC bill and there is no sliding scale. Sorry.
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    No not really. The bill was written so more can afford coverage but more importantly it serves to reign in the insurers who have been abusing many of us. No more denying coverage..that is a major cause of bankruptcy amoung the insured.
    It's purpose is to eliminate private health insurance. The one term Marxist did not want this monster to really begin until after he is securely elected for a second term. In 2015 we should begin to see the big insurers getting out of the health insurance business. Some have gotten out already.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    "IRS may need to hire as many as 16,500 additional
    auditors, agents and other employees to investigate and
    collect billions in new taxes from Americans"

    http://republicans.waysandmeans.hous...wer_Report.pdf



    Its a house ways and means official report. You do not need a crystal ball to read the writing on the wall.


    Leaving all that out...What do you think 15k+ IRS agents will sit around doing in the next ten years?

    An expansion of 100 is enough to be concerned about.
    Not to mention, they have a devil of a time covering regular tax payments and compliance. I suppose this is good news for tax cheats, even less of a chance of getting caught.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by jpevans View Post

    Saddly the D's didn't have the votes for single payer or the public option, so they settled for RomneyCare. But at least something was passed & can be improved on over time.
    There are going to be many glitches and problems with Obamacare. Those glitches and problems can only be fixed if the Democrats control the House of Representatives, the Senate and the Presidency. Otherwise those glitches and problems will be allowed to fester like infection in an open wound.

    For example, the federal govt. will help the states pay their share of Obamacare for five years, but after that the federal help ends. What Republicans can do would be to block any further federal assistance to the states. This will cause state budget deficits...but most states can't constitutionally have deficits. The result will be an enormous explosion of increased state taxes or significant cuts in state services.

    Unless the Democrats hold ALL power Obamacare can be monkey wrenched and sandbagged. This will make the infection spread.

    I know this isn't nice, but it is the way politics works under the American political culture. Enjoy this moment. It's all down hill from here on out.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    No not really. The bill was written so more can afford coverage but more importantly it serves to reign in the insurers who have been abusing many of us. No more denying coverage..that is a major cause of bankruptcy amoung the insured.
    Oh goody. Now you will have a death panel of bureaucrats who will get to decide. If your spouse didn't vote for the one term Marxist you don't get the care. Cool. But you won't be denied insurance, just care.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    I read over major sections of the HC bill and there is no sliding scale. Sorry.
    You read part of the bill and you've drawn a conclusion about the whole bill.... Mkay.

    The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will require premium rate reviews to track any arbitrary premium increases and will crack down on excessive insurance overhead by applying standards on how much insurance companies can spend on non-medical costs, such as bureaucracy and advertising. It will also provide sliding scale premium tax credits for families that still cannot afford quality health insurance.

    http://dpc.senate.gov/healthreformbill/healthbill30.pdf
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    a violent revolution over a $650 tax-penalty?

    you must be kidding me.
    The revolution will take place at the Ballot box in November. In 2010 the Democrats lost 63 seats in the House and 6 in the Senate. They need 19 more in the House and 13 in the Senate to have a veto, filibuster proof majority in Congress. Considering this.......

    Public opinion of the health care law

    June 28, 2012 10:36 AM

    Since it was enacted over two years ago, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, President Obama's signature piece of legislation, has never been especially popular with the American public. Just 34 percent approve of the health care law, according to a CBS News/New York Times Poll released earlier this month, while 48 percent disapprove. Other recent polls also show more oppose the law than support it.

    Overall opinions of the health care law have barely wavered since its passage in March 2010, and support for it has never reached 50 percent in CBS News Polls. Back in May 2010, two months after it was passed, 43 percent of Americans approved of the law - that's the highest percentage to date.

    I think they'll get it.

    Public opinion of the health care law - CBS News
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It's purpose is to eliminate private health insurance. The one term Marxist did not want this monster to really begin until after he is securely elected for a second term. In 2015 we should begin to see the big insurers getting out of the health insurance business. Some have gotten out already.
    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Oh goody. Now you will have a death panel of bureaucrats who will get to decide. If your spouse didn't vote for the one term Marxist you don't get the care. Cool. But you won't be denied insurance, just care.
    I understand that you disagree with this decision, but there's no need to insult Obama like that.
    Last edited by Thunder; 06-28-12 at 04:39 PM.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Oh goody. Now you will have a death panel of bureaucrats who will get to decide. If your spouse didn't vote for the one term Marxist you don't get the care. Cool. But you won't be denied insurance, just care.
    Those "death panels" are a myth made up by idiots. Don't throw your hat in with them.

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