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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]


    Saddly the D's didn't have the votes for single payer or the public option, so they settled for RomneyCare. But at least something was passed & can be improved on over time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    That means upward pressure on premiums, so it does the opposite of 'rein' it in.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why do you want Americans not being covered for their illnesses?

    should they just die?
    I'll give you a personal example....

    I'd love to be able to opt out of Cancer coverage, and get the savings for that in my policy.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
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    I may actually call my congressman and suggest he introduce that. I'm dead serious here.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    If nothing else, some of us would like to be able to purchase politices that limit the cost by limiting what things are covered by the policy. With this, that's not possible. We have to pay for coverage that we will never use.
    Welcome to the wonderful world of gov't defined "fairness". That's right SIR you NEED birth control, maternity and OBGYN care coverage, Obama told us so, even if you are 62 and single.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'll give you a personal example....

    I'd love to be able to opt out of Cancer coverage, and get the savings for that in my policy.
    and should my insurance company be able to opt-out of covering cancer treatment?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why do you want Americans not being covered for their illnesses?

    should they just die?
    Treedancer:
    In other words,be a good chap and die eh?
    Thank you Grayson twins. No that isnt a solution. Market driven solutions that actually lower costs might be a good idea. Moving away from group rated plans might also be a good idea. Individual plans and family plans are prohibitively expensive because companies get gigantic tax breaks from insurance premiums. One of the few good things from this bill is those breaks get passed along to individual consumers. A good idea and we need more like it to get costs down not insure everyone then be shocked, shocked I say, when premiums go through the roof. Eventually everyone will either be taxed on their premium or have their premium subsidized. I dont think either is a good solution.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by jpevans View Post
    Saddly the D's didn't have the votes for single payer or the public option, so they settled for RomneyCare. But at least something was passed & can be improved on over time.
    Nonsense, Obama bargained away single payer in the first meeting with the insurance company execs early on in the process.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]


    I'm glad you have faith in the word of Insurence companies.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The major insurance companies have already announced well before the verdict that they will keep that provision regardless of how the decision turns out. They see the writing on the wall, change is coming, and they don't want to be on the wrong side of it.

    Did I mention my premiums, which were stable, have risen under Obamacare? They've already adjusted their rates to allow for profit with the pre-existing conditions provision in place.

    Btw, the pre-existing condition clause does not guarantee all illlness/procedures are covered once you have the policy.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    In other words,be a good chap and die eh?
    You think this is all a joke, so I guess you are unaffected by this.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I thought they were covered by Medicaid, and besides if the group helped is small, why does the law apply to all?
    It doesn't apply to all ... again ... but it applies more broadly because that's not all it does. It also eliminats pre existing condition exclusions, removes lifetime limits, lowers costs for self employed persons, gives more choice to those with employer provided insurance, allows people up to age 26 to remain on their parents' insurance, provides for electronic records, and also contains many cost containment pilot programs.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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