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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    That argument turns in on itself. The purpose of this law was to cover people not covered by medicaid.
    Sort of, there are obviously nearly an infinite number of individual/family income/expense situations, yet finite cut off points for joining the ObamaCare "pool" assistance or being at the mercy of the "private" market in your state. So if you make $100/month too much to get gov't help, but the cheapest insurance available is $200/month, then you are toast AND fined for it too. ;-)
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Why? Isn't this the reason for the bill? To take care of those who can't afford HC?
    One purpose is to help those who AREN'T the poorest of the poor but who still can't afford health insurance — IOW, the working poor.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    No not really. The bill was written so more can afford coverage but more importantly it serves to reign in the insurers who have been abusing many of us. No more denying coverage..that is a major cause of bankruptcy amoung the insured.
    So you think this will force every illness to be covered?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    One purpose is to help those who AREN'T the poorest of the poor but who still can't afford health insurance — IOW, the working poor.
    I thought they were covered by Medicaid, and besides if the group helped is small, why does the law apply to all?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    One purpose is to help those who AREN'T the poorest of the poor but who still can't afford health insurance — IOW, the working poor.

    Oh is it doesn't cover the "poorest of the poor". Thanks.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So you think this will force every illness to be covered?
    is that a bad thing?

    health-insurance companies will now be required to pay for the treatment of all illnesses. how can this be seen as anything but good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    No not really. The bill was written so more can afford coverage but more importantly it serves to reign in the insurers who have been abusing many of us. No more denying coverage.
    That means upward pressure on premiums, so it does the opposite of 'rein' it in.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    is that a bad thing?

    health-insurance companies will now be required to pay for the treatment of all illnesses. how can this be seen as anything but good?
    Money doesn't grow on trees.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    No not really. The bill was written so more can afford coverage but more importantly it serves to reign in the insurers who have been abusing many of us. No more denying coverage..that is a major cause of bankruptcy amoung the insured.
    The major insurance companies have already announced well before the verdict that they will keep that provision regardless of how the decision turns out. They see the writing on the wall, change is coming, and they don't want to be on the wrong side of it.

    Did I mention my premiums, which were stable, have risen under Obamacare? They've already adjusted their rates to allow for profit with the pre-existing conditions provision in place.

    Btw, the pre-existing condition clause does not guarantee all illlness/procedures are covered once you have the policy.
    Last edited by clownboy; 06-28-12 at 04:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    is that a bad thing?

    health-insurance companies will now be required to pay for the treatment of all illnesses. how can this be seen as anything but good?
    Because it precludes cost-containment!

    Jesus Christ people. The problem is the insane cost, and everyone cheers the ideas that make it worse.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 06-28-12 at 04:18 PM.

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