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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Id have to look but I sort of remember there being a penalty exemption for a certain level below or at the poverty line. Got to do some digging to find the income cap on that. Or I could be completely wrong, gimme a few to sort it out.
    Found it sorta.

    Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia hate using Wiki as a source

    Medicaid eligibility is expanded to include all individuals and families with incomes up to 133% of the poverty level along with a simplified CHIP enrollment process
    I believe this was struck down. Anyone corroborate?

    Low income persons and families above the Medicaid level and up to 400% of the federal poverty level will receive federal subsidies[28] on a sliding scale if they choose to purchase insurance via an exchange (persons at 150% of the poverty level would be subsidized such that their premium cost would be of 2% of income or $50 a month for a family of 4
    Are the exchanges still a go or were they axed as well?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, the penalty simply applies to anyone who can afford to pay for insurance but doesn't.

    So again, if the poorest of the poor can't pay who picks up the tab?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I thought you we're talking about waivers. You're talking about exemptions. Same thing applies: high proportion of union plans because unions have a lot of Cadillac plans.
    And they get exemptions until 2018 why? Cant prove its politics but if it walks like a duck.....

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    So again, if the poorest of the poor can't pay who picks up the tab?
    The poorest of the poor aren't affected by this at all. They're covered by Medicaid.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Even if that were true, and we're not sure that's going to be the case, the remaining 18 million uninsured won't be so happy. They'll still have no insurance, and be penalized for it to boot.

    Number of uninsured Americans rises to 50.7 million.
    Despite being a misleading number, that equates to about 10% of the population. It also includes those that choose not to buy insurance despite being able to afford it.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Despite being a misleading number, that equates to about 1% of the population. It also includes those that choose not to buy insurance despite being able to afford it.
    50,700,000 is only 1% of 320,000,000?

    try 16%.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I thought you we're talking about waivers. You're talking about exemptions. Same thing applies: high proportion of union plans because unions have a lot of Cadillac plans.
    That is a hoot. The gov't has set both minimum and maximum benefits that "private" insurance companies can offer. ;-)
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    I agree. But go back and look at Kelo and tell me you didnt see this? I sort of did as a worst case scenario.

    Anyone feel Wickard got derailed but a worse decision took its place as government now has the ability to tax the absence of commerce as well as its existence?
    Kelo was a horrible decision, and yeah, Wickard got mutated into something much worse here. So yeah, while the government lost a commerce clause argument they gained powers through taxes. Basically the CC just got the final coffin nail towards irrelevance. How the **** can a court say that the government can tax anything, even things not within it's authority!?!? What a stupid ****ing ruling!
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    And they get exemptions until 2018 why? Cant prove its politics but if it walks like a duck.....
    Everyone who gets this exemption has until 2018 — not just unions.

    But you can understand the unuions' problem. Unlike other entities, unions health benefits are subject to collective bargaining agreements.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The poorest of the poor aren't affected by this at all. They're covered by Medicaid.
    As prices rise and those just above cutoff stay chained to their expensive policies, we can expect them to drop into eligibility and for Medicaid needs to swell immensely, right? I guess this must be the plan. Make us poor enough to need them.

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