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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I am not giving Roberts any out here. John Roberts ****ed up in a major way here, no matter how many things he got right in his tenure this is a Herculean fail on his part and I'm disgusted by this.



    Gotta look at it this way "Two Out Of Three Aint Bad".

    They gave you bush,they gave you citzins united . now you're bitching about this crumb fallin on the floor.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    I asked you in a prior post when you said the poorest of the poor would now get coverage. Where will these folks get the money needed to get this benefit? Since they are the poorest of the poor. And what scale are we using for this "poorest of the poor?
    The ObamaCare tax penalty applies to the unlucky citzens that make too much to get in the "discount" (free?) pool, yet not enough to afford the medical care insurance premiums offered IN THEIR STATE so they must pay the federal fine AND pay out of pocket for any needed medical care that they should happen to require. Unlike SNAP benefits, that have a sliding benefit scale, no such deal was included in PPACA, you either do or do not qualify for gov't help buying "private" medical insurance. This will really enrage those that are right on the edge, they make just too much to get the gov't "help", but after paying the IRS fine, their REAL remaining income would have qualified. The law will likely be "tweeked" to avoid this nonsense.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    I dont understand why you are arguing when you dont even understand what is being said. Unions are being exempted from TAXATION because they are "cadillac" plans.
    Exempted until 2018. Now, go back and reword your post because it does not address what Im saying.
    I thought you we're talking about waivers. You're talking about exemptions. Same thing applies: high proportion of union plans because unions have a lot of Cadillac plans.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    I asked you in a prior post when you said the poorest of the poor would now get coverage. Where will these folks get the money needed to get this benefit? Since they are the poorest of the poor. And what scale are we using for this "poorest of the poor?
    Id have to look but I sort of remember there being a penalty exemption for a certain level below or at the poverty line. Got to do some digging to find the income cap on that. Or I could be completely wrong, gimme a few to sort it out.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    Well hell, Zero can't bite the hand that feeds him........
    Yup. . . . .

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Id have to look but I sort of remember there being a penalty exemption for a certain level below or at the poverty line. Got to do some digging to find the income cap on that. Or I could be completely wrong, gimme a few to sort it out.
    I've been trying to find this, but to no avail. Hope you have better luck.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How about FDA reform? How about cures proven to be better than existing ones not showing up in the US because the FDA requires an additon mulit-million dollar trials program from companies that can't afford it? How about an FDA that appears to over inspects medicine and underinspects beef?
    Absolutely. Here's a simple solution, the FDA can still require their testing for products for consumer recourse, people who seek non FDA approved medicines would forfeit the right to seek a civil penalty unless fraud, negligence, or some other standard of bad faith treatment can be set. As well, guarantees of product performance should fall under bad faith. In the case of a terminal diagnosis, when the approved cure doesn't work, why not give the option for alternative medicine. Consumers should have choices in the USA.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The ObamaCare tax penalty applies to the unlucky citzens that make too much too get in the "discount" (free?) pool, yet not enough to afford the medical care insurance premiums offered IN THEIR STATE so they must pay the federal fine AND pay out of pocket for any needed medical care that they should happen to require. Unlike SNAP benefits, that have a sliding benefit scale, no such deal was included in PPACA, you either do or do not qualify for gov't help buying "private" medical insurance. The law will likely be "tweeked" to avoid this nonsense.
    No, the penalty simply applies to anyone who can afford to pay for insurance but doesn't.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Lots of opinions floating about on this decision. I am not surprised at from it. The only thing that made me raise an eyebrow was that the individual mandate stood, but they struck down the Medicaid issue where states would be thrown out of the program if they disagreed or what have you.

    I honestly thought the only thing in jeopardy of being struck down was the IM.

    I also found it interesting that Liberal leaning Justice Kennedy voted against it while Conservative leaning Chief Justice Roberts voted in favor of it.
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