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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    those liberals don't care about the economics, just that the entitlements come.
    Well no, its not about entitlements its about covering people. Considering people would have to pay for healthcare, or be fined for it, its not about entitlements. People get free healthcare now at the emergency rooms already but conservatives don't complain about that.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Kinda look like you have access to the supreme court ruling.What penalty are you referring to?
    The penalty applies to the unlucky citzens that make too much too get in the "discount" (free?) pool, yet not enough to afford the insurance premiums IN THEIR STATE so they must pay the federal fine AND pay for out of pocket for any needed medical care they should require. Unlike SNAP benefits, that have a sliding benefit scale, no such deal was included in PPACA, you either do or do not qualify for gov't help buying "private" medical insurance. The law will likely be "tweeked" to avoid this nonsense.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I am not giving Roberts any out here. John Roberts ****ed up in a major way here, no matter how many things he got right in his tenure this is a Herculean fail on his part and I'm disgusted by this.
    I agree. But go back and look at Kelo and tell me you didnt see this? I sort of did as a worst case scenario.

    Anyone feel Wickard got derailed but a worse decision took its place as government now has the ability to tax the absence of commerce as well as its existence?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you not recognize that this decision means they government can now compel you to buy the gun or pay a tax as a penalty?

    The government can do whatever it wants to us now. There are no limits. This is a disaster.
    I am going to read about SCOTUS' decision, and watch the analysis on PBS tonight at 7 pm, which I recommend we all do.

    I don't think this gives the govt. the power to force us to buy M&Ms under penalty of a tax.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    The good news is we've gotten off the Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin topic....

    At least I think so.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It is and has always been semantics. That's what the Court said. It IS a penalty but it has the same EFFECT as tax ... On those who don't comply with the law. If you want to say that Obama and Romney lied, I'm okay with that.

    I asked you in a prior post when you said the poorest of the poor would now get coverage. Where will these folks get the money needed to get this benefit? Since they are the poorest of the poor. And what scale are we using for this "poorest of the poor?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    At first I was going to vote for Obama again, not seeing much difference in Romney. Then as Obama continued with the crap, I decided to vote Romney as the lesser of two evils. Then this decision came - now I'll stump for, work for, donate to the Romney campaign.

    Pretty sure, looking around, that others are feeling the same. Might be just the impetus to put Romney over the top.
    THIS is what you decided to vote for Romney on? Seriously dude? Where have you been for the past two decades? Despite Romney's claimed new position, he was a champion of Obamacare. If you are basing your vote for him on this....you are seriously just getting shaken and snowed by this week's etch a sketch.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If somone says things that are racist, you should be able to call out that their post is offensive.

    Your race-baiting in this thread is so deep...I'm not going to call you a racist. I'm going to let your racist posts stand for themselves for others to judge.
    You are entitled to exercise your subjective judgment. I am entitled to disagree. You gain nothing by personal attacks.

    Race relations in America are deteriorating because it is politically advantageous for that to happen. I think your side is at fault. You think my side is at fault. Ultimatley, it doesn't matter who is at fault.

    There is political advantage to be achieved by using Obamacare as a wedge issue. That political advantage requires stoking resentment in order to whip it up into a fury that overwhelms the ballot box.

    If Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson can whip up African American resentment then that sets the standard for all identity groups. This is totally legal and completely within the accepted ambit of American politics.

    The country is breaking down based on separate identities. It's too bad that has happened, but it is what it is. There is no reason to place any identity group at a disadvantage by denying them the use of the same tactics used by other identity groups.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    THIS is what you decided to vote for Romney on? Seriously dude? Where have you been for the past two decades? Despite Romney's claimed new position, he was a champion of Obamacare. If you are basing your vote for him on this....you are seriously just getting shaken and snowed by this week's etch a sketch.
    No, he was a champion of states implementing their own solutions on the health care issue. He was not a champion of a federal solution.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Obamacare | TheBlaze.com


    "Roughly 1,200 companies received waivers from part of the healthcare reform law, the Health and Human Services Department (HHS)"

    "However, what’s slightly unsettling is the fact that the majority of the waivers were handed out to labor unions."




    Some folks got good deals.
    Well hell, Zero can't bite the hand that feeds him........

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