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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Any increased health care costs and any decreased health care quality will now be layed solely at the feet of Obamacare. Democrats will own increased costs and decreased quality. They have total responsibility for this.

    Increased costs will decrease living standards. Decreased quality will increase resentment. This dispute will fester because Obamacare wasn't done on a bipartisan basis.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, the law requires companies to gradually raise coverage limits until they are eliminated in 2014. The waiver just says that a company can wait until 2014 to eliminate the limits. That's all the waivers do.
    I dont understand why you are arguing when you dont even understand what is being said. Unions are being exempted from TAXATION because they are "cadillac" plans.
    Exempted until 2018. Now, go back and reword your post because it does not address what Im saying.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    No one will care. They will be distracted by the many additional taxes imposed upon them by the many doors this just opened.
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    Ah...i see.Gazen again eh?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    a violent revolution over a $650 tax-penalty?

    you must be kidding me.

    No, a revolution doesn't necessarily have to be violent. That is just how liberal/progressives think it should be, because they dream of killing their political opponents...Probably a side effect of being so tolerant.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Ive already heard it said that Roberts sided with liberals on this or on the side of big government. I disagree. I think Roberts knew this either could not or should not be struck down as a legal matter and needed to be resolved as a political issue.

    The question is, in several parts, will conservatives or liberals be galvanized by this and which way will moderates fall? Especially likely voters. I truly dont know, but I think we will know in less than a month.
    I am not giving Roberts any out here. John Roberts ****ed up in a major way here, no matter how many things he got right in his tenure this is a Herculean fail on his part and I'm disgusted by this.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So you think Romney will now retract his claim that he didn't raise taxes? If so I've got some swamp land I'd like to sell you.
    He does not need to. He never argued that his mandate was a tax. Obama did. Im hoping you see the difference.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The Militia Act of 1792 compels you to buy a gun. Its no longer enforced, but its still the law.
    Do you not recognize that this decision means they government can now compel you to buy the gun or pay a tax as a penalty?

    The government can do whatever it wants to us now. There are no limits. This is a disaster.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I am not giving Roberts any out here. John Roberts ****ed up in a major way here, no matter how many things he got right in his tenure this is a Herculean fail on his part and I'm disgusted by this.

    Ditto . . . .

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And now republicans are vowing to dismantle Obamacare, and repeal it. Let's stay on topic k?

    Did Obama lie when he told ABC that it wasn't a tax?
    It is and has always been semantics. That's what the Court said. It IS a penalty but it has the same EFFECT as tax ... On those who don't comply with the law. If you want to say that Obama and Romney lied, I'm okay with that.
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