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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Captain Courtesy had a very good plan a while back, hope he decides to repost it here. I don't mind a government alternative provided that it is voluntary and seperate from the tax base and followed all the rules of private insurance such as must reinvest, remain solvent, collect premiums, retain cash on hand, and only function off of premium/reinvestment dollars. In other words, insurance for those who have problems in the private market.

    That said, the real problems haven't been addressed in over a century:
    1) Medical school admission is set at a maximum on the federal level, remove the ceiling and allow more physicians who qualify into the market.
    2) Tort reform. Add a panel of medical professionals to judge the merits of malpractice cases as a barrier to fivolous med. lawsuits. Merited cases shall not be in jeopardy
    3) Relax burdensome regulations for care but retain those that benefit the general consumer such as health and safety standards.
    4) Once prices naturalize and become more tenable, relax the emergency mandate and allow for partial collection from "free riders". In a true emergency collection would not be an option but if someone abuses the ER for free care as determined by an independent board they may be liable for at least a portion of care.
    5) Allow for a federal income tax break on maintaining private insurance, or for group plans allow a break for the portion paid out from the employee. Encourage insurance usage rather than forcing it.
    6) Decentralize where possible.
    How about FDA reform? How about cures proven to be better than existing ones not showing up in the US because the FDA requires an additon mulit-million dollar trials program from companies that can't afford it? How about an FDA that appears to over inspects medicine and underinspects beef?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the vast majority of Americans oppose it
    Then they probably don't support healthcare. I meant that liberals don't oppose the mandate who support healthcare.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I couldn't help but notice other posters calling you out on your racist comments. They shouldn't attack you personally, why? Because you are white?
    Because it's against the TOS.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Many entire states were given "temporary" waivers since their major insurers would otherwise simply leave them.

    Some waiver FACTS: PLANSPONSOR.com - HHS Grants PPACA Waivers to 221 More Plans Two States
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Even if that were true, and we're not sure that's going to be the case, the remaining 18 million uninsured won't be so happy. They'll still have no insurance, and be penalized for it to boot.

    Number of uninsured Americans rises to 50.7 million.
    Kinda look like you have access to the supreme court ruling.What penalty are you referring to?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Hhmm...when fully implemented, 32 million Americans would disagree with the bolded part of your statement.
    No one will care. They will be distracted by the many additional taxes imposed upon them by the many doors this just opened.
    Thank you

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's because of a loophole in the rules. It's ok to say things that are racist, but apparently it's not ok to call it what it is.
    It's never ok to attack another member personally. That's not a loophole.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Obamacare | TheBlaze.com


    "Roughly 1,200 companies received waivers from part of the healthcare reform law, the Health and Human Services Department (HHS)"


    "However, what’s slightly unsettling is the fact that the majority of the waivers were handed out to labor unions."




    Some folks got good deals.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    We already know. He said he didn't raise taxes as governor and now he says that the mandate he signed into law was a tax. He was either lying then or he's lying now, by your logic.
    Highly disingenuous arguments. Romney didnt argue the passing of his plan by saying it was not a tax then have his solicitors argue in front of SCOTUS that it was.

    Obama said one thing to get it passed then said another to keep it from being overturned. If you want to talk about flip flops.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    5 years is temporary? They dont get taxed until 2018 :P
    From the article. I obviously dont have the waivers in front of me.
    No, the law requires companies to gradually raise coverage limits until they are eliminated in 2014. The waiver just says that a company can wait until 2014 to eliminate the limits. That's all the waivers do.
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