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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the USA isn't as weak as you appear to think it is.

    and no, this ruling has NOTHING to do with private-property rights.
    I don't know how you can say that. The government can compel me to enter into contracts with private entities. I have no choice in the matter. I have no right to my property any longer.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No mystery there. Unions generally have negotiated health care benefits that have to be renegotiated as a result of the change. Remember, this is just a TEMPORARY waiver — not an exemption.

    Some will tell themselves anything...
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nope, I believe that part of the ruling is that the federal government can not withhold Medicare funds as a penalty.
    I believe that they can't withhold the current level of funding, but if they want the INCREASED funding, they have to opt in. Which makes sense when you think about it.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Seems Obama disagrees with the court, or at least he did in '09...




    I guess he was just lying then...

    I guess Romney was lying too, then. l:
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and yet, Conservatives are the only ones that say this.
    Kinda like liberals are the only ones who say fetuses aren't human, and kinda like liberals are the only ones that say Obamacare will lower the cost of insurance for millions of people. Kinda like liberals are the only ones that say that Socialism works, and the redistribution is good.

    But by all means, keep your ignorance on display.

    Just remember Thunder, a government that controls your health care, and Obamacare gets you that much closer to the reality, can control your actions as well. Meaning, the same government that can force me to buy something, can also force a woman to carry a rape baby. Or they can force a woman to get an abortion. If they control health care, what's to stop the government from telling a mother of 4 she cannot have anymore children, citing the "public welfare" as the authority behind their decision?

    You weak minded people are so afraid. You're so afraid to provide for yourselves. You seek your solice in the arms of Uncle Sam. Because Obama will make it "fair". Obama will pay for my health care if I get sick. Obama will save us money, even though he's now committed the country to 4 trillion new debt over the next 10 years on a single piece of legislation.

    Yes, you liberals are sooooo smart aren't you. Just remember what I've told you Thunder, and hold on to it for the day that the government tells you and your wife that you have enough children, and that she must get an abortion. People like you are gleefully clearing the way for that to happen. Tell me it wont, and I'll show you 100 years of history my friend. No one ever thought abortion would be made "legal" either. Now it's common practice. Or worse for you Thunder, if government controls your health care, what are you going to do when the pendulum swings back to the Tea Party, and it will, politics always swings. What are you going to do, if the govenment controls your health care, and Conservatives control the government, when they say that homosexuals will not be covered on insurance plans? What are you going to do if they say a woman must carry her baby for the sake of the public welfare? What are you going to say when medicinal marijuana is no longer covered?

    Look at Greece my friend. What are you going to do when America gets to that point? Think we cant? Think our citizens wont burn this country down? We have citizens that go on shooting rampages because their order was wrong at Taco Bell! Imagine what would happen if government started making all of an individual's choices concerning their health care. That's what they do in Canada, England, France, Japan. The government decides what it will pay for, and what it will not. Imagine that kind of system among a bunch of Americans, who know nothing else but "having it MY way".

    You're all fools, and I just hope you're proud of the way this bill even got passed in the first place. Remember that? The Cornhusker Kickback? You guys had to literally bride a Senator to get it done. Such a proud moment for Dems......

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Please don't attack me personally. I don't believe your numbers. Where is your link?
    I couldn't help but notice other posters calling you out on your racist comments. They shouldn't attack you personally, why? Because you are white?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Of course, because they'll be STEALING from the wallets of the productive members of society in order to get that healthcare. So why wouldn't they like it?
    how are they stealing it from " productive members of society ? "
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well then - see you at the gallows, my treason endorsing friend.
    You don't even see the damage done do you?

    Do you see a way to return to a constitutionally-limited federal government? The precedent has been set that eliminates our private property rights and ends all limits to federal power.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Hhmm...when fully implemented, 32 million Americans would disagree with the bolded part of your statement.
    Even if that were true, and we're not sure that's going to be the case, the remaining 18 million uninsured won't be so happy. They'll still have no insurance, and be penalized for it to boot.

    Number of uninsured Americans rises to 50.7 million.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Some will tell themselves anything...
    Okay, Mr. Armed Revolution.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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