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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    Oh, so single payer isn't a crown jewel of socialism?....
    you called it "the crown jewel", not "a crown jewel".

    sure, national healthcare is a big part of a Socialist society. But its not THE beacon of Socialism.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Temporary waivers that can be issued over and over. Which is kind of the point. Taxation should be allowed to be "waived" even temporarily. Using waivers as a device to shore up political support or as political favors is my contention. You cant shield one set of people and not the rest. I think this or the religious objections regarding abortion etc will be the next portion of this law before SCOTUS.
    There is absolutely no evidence of bias in the issuance of waivers. The purpose of the waivers was to give companies a little more time to prepare for the change, because some are more affected than others and need to do more work.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Except that you are wrong. This ends private insurance. It is not a handout to corporations. It ends them and transfers all power to the federal government.
    BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahahahahha
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The Declaration of Independence says right in it "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..."
    Wait - wait - wait - you want to become an enemy of the state? Please try it. We all know how well that worked out for the South.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There is absolutely no evidence of bias in the issuance of waivers. The purpose of the waivers was to give companies a little more time to prepare for the change, because some are more affected than others and need to do more work.

    Yeah, some are more equal than others.... Do you really type that with a straight face?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    you called on liberals to celebrate. I'm pointing out the individual mandate is also hated by many liberals and many don't feel like celebrating
    The mandate is the core of the health insurance reform. Nobody opposes it who also support healthcare.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Wait - wait - wait - you want to become an enemy of the state? Please try it.
    No, just an enemy of the statist.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There is absolutely no evidence of bias in the issuance of waivers. The purpose of the waivers was to give companies a little more time to prepare for the change, because some are more affected than others and need to do more work.
    No sir.

    Over Half of All Obamacare Waivers Given to Union Members | The Weekly Standard
    In what is fast becoming a weekly event, the Obama administration granted 200 more companies waivers from the Democrats' sweeping health care law in the Friday night news dump. That brings the number of companies receiving waivers to 1,372. (You can get a full list of the companies exempted here.)

    Not surprisingly, it helps to be a Democratic ally when seeking a waiver. The Republican Policy Committee reports that over half of the workers that have been exempted so far belong to unions:


    The plans newly approved for waivers cover more than 160,000 people, bringing to nearly 3.1 million the number of individuals in plans exempted from the health law’s requirements. Of the participants receiving waivers, more than half – over 1.55 million – are in union plans, raising questions of why such a disproportionate share of union members are receiving waivers from the law’s requirements. The percentage of participants receiving waivers that come from unions also continues to rise – the number was 48% in April, and 45% in March.

    Unions already received a generous concession in the health care bill. Their generous "cadilac" insurance plans were exempted from being taxed until 2018, adding about $120 billion to the bill’s cost over ten years. For more on how the administration has helped unions, see my story in THE WEEKLY STANDARD from a few weeks ago.
    That dog will not hunt. Being in a Union seems to be a pass to exemption.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Speaking of Nixon the EPA also won in the SCOTUS this week
    DC Circuit, but still a big win. Between that, AZ, and Obamacare, rehubs have got some blood in their shorts this week.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, just an enemy of the statist.
    Sure - you're backing down now. Please tell me what you plan on doing? Declare war on the United States? Fight the US military? It all smacks of treason. You gonna become a traitor to this country j-mac?
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