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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    And on the upside, this decision will bring us toward insolvency at an accelerated rate, at which point the reset button will be engaged.
    You've just seen the first major step in the 21st Century version of The Intollerable Acts. Here's hoping that this time we get it right after we overthrow the Government and re-write the Constitution the PROPER way so it cannot be misinterpreted.

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    From liveblog @1032.


    In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.
    I've always thought of the fine as a tax/levy, strange that this was never discussed before this decision.
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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Still waiting on actual opinion to go live.

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You've just seen the first major step in the 21st Century version of The Intollerable Acts. Here's hoping that this time we get it right after we overthrow the Government and re-write the Constitution the PROPER way so it cannot be misinterpreted.
    So much for protecting the Constitution, eh? If it doesn't satisfy your political view, just tear it up and start over.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Conservatives tend to be sore losers who make silly threats of armed revolution whenever they lose an argument.
    Neither secession nor revolution necessitates warfare.

    I want my state to secede from this nation, as it has completely abandoned the rule of law and its founding principles. The entity tasked with upholding the rule of law has been grossly negligent for nearly a century. The system is completely broken.


    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So much for protecting the Constitution, eh? If it doesn't satisfy your political view, just tear it up and start over.
    Aside from physically protecting the piece of paper in the National Archives behind a glass case, this country does not protect the Constitution and we effectively do not have one. This ruling, like so many, many others, makes that crystal clear.
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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    20 bucks says some dip**** TP legislator in Texas tries to secede.


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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Stewart View Post
    I've always thought of the fine as a tax/levy, strange that this was never discussed before this decision.
    It actually was discussed at length, and argued in briefs and before the Court.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Nonsense. The Act primarily benefits the working class -- more white people than black people.
    How do you figure that, since I can almost GUARANTEE that when our Union Contract is up next year the Company I work for is going to do everything in their power to limit or take our health insurance benefit away from us due to the "Cadilac" healthcare provision in this bill?

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Conservatives tend to be sore losers who make silly threats of armed revolution whenever they lose an argument.
    It is NOT 2014 yet. What congress adds as a "tax" they can just as easily repeal. This is nonsense and unpopular, so it is not likely to remain the "law of the land". I like the idea actually, of being able to buy insurance ANY TIME, even if I am sick, use the benefits and then cancel the policy immediatley after treatment. This will bankrupt the medical insurance industry in short order. ;-)
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