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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I think you are grossly overestimating America's appetite for this issue to continue. The Cons managed to freeze the issue and convince people that perhaps Congress overstepped its bounds in passing this. They lost that one. Now that it has been sanctioned by the Supreme Court most Americans will wish to move on. Clinging to an old issue when there are so many ahead of us is likely to backfire. The passion of protest on this will wane.

    Moreover, Romney, as the Cons nominee, is the least positioned politician in America to present challenge to this as he endorsed the concept both in MA and nationally. He even publicly endorsed the mandate as ACA was being debated. Romney's best shot to be POTUS is with a faltering economy with him positioned as guy with the business experience that understands this and can fix it. Virtually every other issue that he spends time on is that much less time he has promoting his strength. This simply is not a winning issue for the Romney campaign.

    Sorry J-Mac. The Cons gave it a good shot. They came up short. I know its very difficult for Cons to look ahead, but its time to do so. Wallowing in the past, on this one, is also not a winning issue.
    I think this matter will fester like an open wound because people will perceive their health care costs increasing and health care quality decreasing. They will attribute this phenomena to Obamacare because it will be in effect. That's the way Americans think. They draw the simplest conclusions possible.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nixon was a saint compared to our last few Presidents. And he tried to institute nationalize heathcare!
    Speaking of Nixon the EPA also won in the SCOTUS this week

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    WRONG. Laws have changed a lot over time precisely because they were unpopular. It is constitutional to tax everyone at 99% but not popular. When the sheeple see the REAL cost of gov't medical care control, they will change it. Congress made this mess and they will be held accountable too clean it up. ;-)
    Yes yes we know, we're all sheeple and you are the guys who see. Too bad they didn't have guys like you and Ikari to argue against this law. I'm sure you would have made quite the impression.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Are there any liberals who would like to do a victory dance with me? !!
    What exactly is it you are thinking you won?

    Just curious.

    It is apparent to me this has very little to do with healthcare but much more to do with government expansion.
    Thank you

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Ive already heard it said that Roberts sided with liberals on this or on the side of big government. I disagree. I think Roberts knew this either could not or should not be struck down as a legal matter and needed to be resolved as a political issue.

    The question is, in several parts, will conservatives or liberals be galvanized by this and which way will moderates fall? Especially likely voters. I truly dont know, but I think we will know in less than a month.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    ...Yet, to liberals, he's the messiah. Unbelievable.....
    and yet, Conservatives are the only ones that say this.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    mere hyperbole.
    Oh, so single payer isn't a crown jewel of socialism? Hmmmm.....what was all that Marx wrote about then? I'm pretty sure he called in centralized or nationalized healthcare. And I'm also pretty sure he wrote extensively that controlling health care was the most effective way to redistribute wealth.

    But call it hyperbole. You're just proving how ignorant you are.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'm looking at a heart transplat in my future. So I was really eye balling spending caps. A 2.2 million dollar cap can be eaten up pretty quickly in that situation.
    In your particular situation absolutely. I used to sell a product with a 5/7 mil. cap option. There are still a few "no cap" policies out there but they aren't cheap. I understand why caps exist as a former agent but don't like them, I would have been more satisfied with other cost controls than that. Usually though caps are generous, of course for extreme health issues they aren't sufficient.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Speaking of Nixon the EPA also won in the SCOTUS this week
    Quite honestly, look at Nixon's presidency and compare it to Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan, etc. What did Nixon do? He lied about having knowledge of crime. Man, if that's all those other guys would have done we'd be in a lot better spot.

    Shows how much we no longer hold to proper policing of the politicians and demanding accountability for actions.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I believe this to be a foolish statement of the highest caliber. Ends the United States? It will take more than this to end the United States.
    What more do you think it will take? The right to private property is intimately intertwined with liberty. The supreme court decision has eliminated our right to private property. The Constitution was a limit to the federal government's power. This supreme court decision ends limits to federal power. This effectively ends the Constitution.

    But this highlights one of the serious problems we are facing. This give away to the insurance companies is just a long line of government handouts to corporations, nothing new here.
    Except that you are wrong. This ends private insurance. It is not a handout to corporations. It ends them and transfers all power to the federal government.

    But it does show the inability we seemingly have in having an intelligent debate. It has to devolve into "this ends America" and blah blah blah whatever other retarded arguments and emotional deflections which prevent us from intelligently and rationally discussing the issue.
    I wish that it were not so. It may take a while for the life to leave the body but this ends the US. There is no more doubt about the outcome. This precedent cannot be undone without a revolution to sweep it away, can it?

    I think perhaps there does need to be a revolution, but maybe it should be to cast all the idiots into the ocean. Which would include the vast majority of DC. Hope we don't raise the water level too much.
    I regret that a revolution seems far more likely. This is not a good thing. This is a disaster.

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