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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    I brought up Ron Paul, American replied he lived in the wrong time where people didn't know where he was coming from - I concurred, the FFs ie slave owning Libertarians (by Ron Paul's own account) would know where he's coming from.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It can have whatever it wants. It's constitutional. We don't go by popular opinion. Comprende?
    wow, you can't even keep track of your posts from seconds ago.

    you called on liberals to celebrate. I'm pointing out the individual mandate is also hated by many liberals and many don't feel like celebrating

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    20 pages of Albert Di Salvo talking about how this is a problem for the white middle class and all of a sudden I'm derailing the thread? Your selective vision is selective.
    Come on man...stop talking about a fellow member.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    So a guy makes $50K/year, good on average in "post"-recessionary times, and now must pay roughly $500 to the IRS if he doesn't buy health insurance with that $500.

    So how much health insurance can he buy for $41.67 a month if he's 20 .. 30 .. 45 .. 60 years old?

    Once again, those who can afford it the least will be getting screwed the most.

    Was there anything in Obamacare about lowering obscene insurance rates to the the degree that the obscenity is removed from those rates?

    Was there anything in Obamacare about lowering the obscene cost of medical care to the degree that the obscenity is removed from those costs too?

    Was there anything in Obamacare about ending out/in -sourcing of our jobs to wage-slaves and increasing pay-rates and getting living-wage full-time jobs for Americans so they can truly afford healthcare or that extra tax?

    The wrong half-assed approach at a very bad time.

    If you're gonna do socialism do it all and do it right .. and suffer the backlash.

    If you're gonna do it piecemeal .. don't do it at all.

    Throw American frogs in boiling water and we'll all jump out hopping mad .. but throw us in lukewarm water and too many toads will just think the pond is comfy .. while the heat is turned up a little more .. then a little more .. then a little more ... .
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the USA isn't as weak as you appear to think it is.

    and no, this ruling has NOTHING to do with private-property rights.
    Its been that way for awhile now.

    When someone forces you to pay for something........... That can be construed as individual property interference.

    This Insurance BS, Hunting License, Drivers License, the usury the banks engage in, That GRC on the end of a gas bill, etc.

    You can opt to not pay any of that but you end up in jail which is paid for by everyone else anyway.
    Thank you

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    $650 a year in order to have guarunteed coverage for all pre-existing conditions, sounds like a good deal to me.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    The waivers given were to corporations that needed more time in order to get a new insurance policy for their employees that fit all of the criteria listed out in the healthcare bill. They were temporary waivers. They are going to have to comply just as people are going to have to comply. Unless there are other waivers that I am unaware of.
    what an outright lie.

    All of the major labor unions were given exemptions. Congress doesn't fall under this law. Thousands of businesses were given exemptions. Just more crony capitalism at work. Obama paying off his largest contributors with more BS.

    I swear, Obama is worse than Nixon. That's no exaggeration either. He has blatantly broke the law 2 times in the last month alone. Once in the Arizona immigration case, even after the Supreme Court ruling, Obama instructed the DOJ to simply not respond to Arizona's requests. Just stop doing your job DOJ, even though the Supreme Court upheld the Arizona law. Who cares right? So the SC upholds a law, and Obama just tells Holder not to respond to them. Second time was over the Fast and Furious case. He granted EXecutive Privaledge where it's not authorized. Exec Priv is for the President, and his very top advisors. But just a couple months ago, Obama said he knew nothing about F&F. He's breaking the law again, and lying about it the whole time.

    Yet, to liberals, he's the messiah. Unbelievable. He's trampling even their rights with this Obamacare BS, and they don't even know it.

    Just remember, a government that can force an individual to purchase health insurance, can force a woman to carry a baby in her womb too. Once they control your healthcare, they control all kinds of things. Which is why Single Payer, Universal Health Care, is the crown jewel of Socialism. Karl Marx is celebrating today.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    That's a nice theory. It's just not reality.

    What world are you living in? Save who some money? Have you paid any attention whatsoever to insurance premiums SINCE Obamacare was passed? They have risen, on average, of 18% PER YEAR. That's faster than it was before they passed Obamacare....

    Who's saving any money? My health insurance went up 20% this year, WITHOUT A SINGLE CLAIM AGAINST IT. And people with pre-existing conditions are already accepted under Obamacare. Well, minors are right now, and adults will be completely phased in by 2014. But what are insurance companies doing????? Raising premiums faster than they ever have before.

    Who's saving money???? What freakin planet do you live on????

    The problem with the left, is they have great intentions, but they blatantly ignore the real consequences of their actions. We passed obamacare, and liberals said it would "lower insurance premiums". REally? Then why are the insurance companies raising premiums by a clip of 18% annually on average? Obamacare doesn't prevent them from doing it obviously. And if it does, how long before private insurance companies go out of business? Or need a government bailout like AIG, or Chevy?

    You people are so blind. THis is nothing more than paving a superhighway to single payer health care. That's what the left wants, because they think it works. Go take your ass to Canada and see if you like it better there than here. Here, you don't wait 6 months for a hip replacement. There you do. Here, my doctor decides my course of treatment. THere, a government exchange does. You liberals want the government deciding medical procedures your insurance will cover, and which ones are off limits? Keep that in mind for when the pendulum swings back to Conservative Tea party types. If the government can force you to buy insurance, they can also force you to carry a baby against your will.

    Liberals never contemplate the alternatives. They are fools, rushing towards more and more dependency.

    You say it's not a perfect world. That's correct. It's not. But your example of a perfect world was a world where everyone would pay for themselves. You think Obamacare gets us closer to "everyone paying for themselves"????? Geeez.....Obamacare gets us to the doorstep of the government taking over healthcare alltogether. Single Payer. That eliminates YOUR FREEDOM to decide your own treatment. It eliminates YOUR FREEDOM to choose your own doctor. It eliminates YOUR FREEDOM to choose a certain cancer drug if the government refuses to pay for it ( like they do in England and Canada). That's right, the best cancer medicines, which are covered by private health insurance here in America, are rejected in England and Canada, and other countries as well. You ready for that? You're gonna get your aweful wish. Fools.
    1. I don't believe your statistic that it has risen 18% per year.

    2. Obamacare also has a provision that a certain percent of what the insurance companies collect MUST be spent on insurance claims. In other words, the only way prices go up is if that's just the cost of healthcare. They can't raise prices just to inflate their profit.

    3. Your insurance has gone up, my company recently switched to a better plan where I get better benifits at a slightly lower cost.

    4. We did contemplate the alternatives. This health care bill was better than the status quo. It wasn't exactly what I personally wanted, but I tink it's a step in the right direction.

    5. Obamacare does get us closer to "everyone paying for themselves." When Romney passed the exact same thing, and when the heritage foundation and Newt Gingrich supported the individual mandate, they all claimed that it was based on the concept of personal responsibility. I'm not the only one claiming it.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    For most people driving a car is a necessity. Some people can get away not driving a car, but for pretty much everyone else, you are forced to carry car insurance, and pretty much everyone does it and doesn't complain.
    Buddy, driving a car is not the same thing as living.


    Just what exactly are those alternatives, self-pay?
    Self pay, HDHP, one state had recently did medicare reform with a fairly unique system.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Is everything about politics with you? Relax and smile. I'll buy ya a drink.

    Vamos!
    No, everything is about intelligence with me. Fools dancing around thinking they've done something when all they've done is perpetuated the status quo and created even worse entanglement of government corporate identity are annoying. This is the same as Medicade Part D. It is not solving any problem, it is not helping our health care system, it will not improve our access to it nor the cost of it. All the problems which currently exist STILL EXIST. Nothing was solved, the only thing that has changed is that insurance companies now have government mandated customers. That's it. Yay for that "win"

    Everything has become so horribly hyper-partisan that none of y'all are thinking anymore. You're just pointing your fingers at the other side and screaming incoherently.
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