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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    If the tax penalty is to have any effect at all then the "tax penalty" has to be greater than the cost of compliance.

    The cost of compliance is burdensome.

    This also seems to mean that they can now tax us for anything as well.

    Plumbers butt---Taxed
    Fat people-Taxed
    Girls who dont....nevermind
    Last edited by akyron; 06-28-12 at 03:04 PM.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Can you ever stay on target or is your hatred against libertarians so much that you can't control yourself?

    Another example of why we cannot have an intelligent debate on this subject.
    20 pages of Albert Di Salvo talking about how this is a problem for the white middle class and all of a sudden I'm derailing the thread? Your selective vision is selective.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the waivers are given to corporations (shocking, I know). Individuals who have taxes levied against them do not have an ability to get a waiver
    Correct but waivers by company or industry would imply unfair treatment under the law wouldnt it? I really dont know, Im thinking it is, but after today who knows how something like that would get ruled. Im thinking the waivers would extend to the employees since most of the waivers allow them to have substandard coverage that allows them to remain in compliance and not pay the penalty tax.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If corporations are people, do t hey have to have health insurance too?
    Corporations are only "people" when it benefits the corporations.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If corporations are people, do t hey have to have health insurance too?
    They do: it's called the US Treasury.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]Hautey, ARC, Ikari. The thread isn't about "libertarians" or "ron paul" or "slave owners". Hautey, continue to try to thread jack by interjecting your thoughts and argument regarding libertarians/ron paul and slave ownership again and you'll get the boot. The others, respond to baiting with flames or off topic posts is no less against the rules. Stick to the topic or get an exit as well.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    20 pages of Albert Di Salvo talking about how this is a problem for the white middle class and all of a sudden I'm derailing the thread? Your selective vision is selective.
    There's an actual issue at heart here. Try to stay on target. If someone brings up something off topic, you don't have to respond and encourage it.

    Jesus, it's not that tough.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, My thoughts very preliminarily are really several fold here.

    1. I think that Roberts was wrong to side with the liberal wing of the court here, largely on the unequal taxation that this will now enshrine that the government has the right to do. So, the court today just wiped out a piece of the constitution in that regard.

    2. The ruling has energized those who are and have been against this law from the begining, the group we saw in 2010 sweep elections. Romney, if his team is smart enough to take advantage of this will win November in a landslide on the anger of the 60% of Americans against this law.

    3. Even though Obama said to George Snufolupogus in 2009 that 'no way was this a tax' and then repeated that over, and over, until they got in front of the court, now it is a tax. The largest tax on the middle class in history! Good job libs...$4000. to every middle class family estimated by the CBO.

    4. The court, and Obama have just dropped the hammer on small business, in this time of anemic growth at best is plain stupid! Many now will drop Health Insurance offered to employees, and take the tax because it will be cheaper to do so. Or, they will go out of business all together under the weight of cost.


    This was a fraud from the beginning, and remains a lie to this day that Obama has given us...I am saddened, but at the same time hopeful that America will wake up and stop the progressive nightmare.
    I like all that you said but the supreme court precedent that eliminates limits on the federal government. So there is no stopping this no matter what happens. We are in a full blown tyranny now. Is there any way out short of a revolution? I would love to see any other option.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    If that is to have any effect at all then the "tax penalty" has to be greater than the cost of compliance.


    Agree. This is just the start of the govt taxing the crap out of those that are paying taxes, in order for this behemoth to pay it's own way.
    Last edited by Billy the Kid; 06-28-12 at 03:01 PM.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the USA isn't as weak as you appear to think it is.

    and no, this ruling has NOTHING to do with private-property rights.
    How do you feel about the largest tax increase in american history on the poor and middle class?

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