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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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I never wanted to have some one else's heart. Especially if they had to die. However that is most likely in my future.

Doesn't mean its in my future.
 
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The blasé attitude about denying procedures needed for a decent quality of life to seniors is one of the things that scares me most about universal health care (and yes, I know that Obamacare is not UHC).

WTF/ What procedures are denied? The back surgery, knee replacement, gigs are thriving.
 
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Yes. Anyone earning less than 133% of the poverty line will get free Medicaid, and anyone earning 133% to 400% of the poverty line will get subsidized insurance on a health insurance exchange.
Health insurance exchange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm still screwed....

Comparable Tiers of Plans

Within the exchanges, insurance plans are to be offered in four tiers designated from lowest premium to highest premium: bronze, silver, gold, and platinum. The plans covered ranges from 60% to 90% of bills in increments of 10% for each plan. Proponents of the health reform believe that allowing comparable plans to compete for consumer business in one convenient location will drive prices down. Having a centralized location increases consumer knowledge of the market and allows for greater conformation to perfect competition. Each of these plans will also be limited in its out of pocket expenses at $5,950 for individuals and $11,900 for families[19].
 
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WTF/ What procedures are denied? The back surgery, knee replacement, gigs are thriving.

*sigh*

Didn't you just admit that Medicaid denies claims based, in large part, on the age of the patient?
 
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When my wife spent 4 nights in the hospital due to having our first child (complications arose) it cost 9k total (including having our child). Pretty sure that one night in a hospital doesn't cost 7k. :roll:

It really depends on what you're in there for. If you come into the ED as a Trauma patient, you're looking at a minimum of 20k before you're even admitted to the hospital. Activating the resources for a trauma patient are much costly then a broken arm.
 
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*sigh*

Didn't you just admit that Medicaid denies claims based, in large part, on the age of the patient?


No I did not. I said morbidity.
 
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*sigh*

Didn't you just admit that Medicaid denies claims based, in large part, on the age of the patient?

Idk about Medicaid but Medicare is legislatively prohibited from performing such an action.
 
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Does it make it easier to repeal if it is a tax, rather than under the commerce clause?
Even then, now all politicians have to do is declare something a tax. Even *if* the intentions were to uphold the commerce clause dumb **** Roberts just green lighted a back door.
 
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You seem to got that Obamacare was Romney's plan 4 years ago..

And he's a necessary piece of repealing Obamacare now. Funny old world, isn't it?
 
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It *was* the conservative position. Then suddenly, it became not just an ill-considered policy that conservatives had changed their mind about...but an unconstitutional, tyrannical, socialist policy. And this about-face all took place over the span of a few months which happened to coincide with the Democrats putting an individual mandate in the ACA. Imagine that! I'm sure it was just a coincidence, even though Charles Grassley, Orrin Hatch, Robert Bennett, and Mitt Romney were all pushing an individual mandate as late as summer 2009.


Actually the Supreme Court ruled that a mandate is unconstitutional. :) do try to keep up.
 
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What if your state doesn't participate?

Then HHS sets up exchanges for your state. I'm not sure if you still rate the subsidy or not, but there will be no Medicaid expansion.
 
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Send him some extra for me Marine...Ill send more to obama...lol

Ironic, isn't it. I'm sending money to the guy who represented what I dislike about the Republican party, and you are sending money to a guy who brings rappers that celebrate cop-killing to the White House for a performance of their "poetry".
 
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Actually the Supreme Court ruled that a mandate is unconstitutional. :) do try to keep up.

Not nessacarily Chief Justice Roberts actually said that a mandate by itself isnt really anything, but a Mandate with a monetary penalty can be counted as a tax.

It could just be one and the same in this case
 
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Great day for the country. The more people that we have insured the better off we all are.

That's what counts! Screw "the political advantage" this supposedly gives one side or the other.
 
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Ironic, isn't it. I'm sending money to the guy who represented what I dislike about the Republican party, and you are sending money to a guy who brings rappers that celebrate cop-killing to the White House for a performance of their "poetry".

And many hippies said things like "off the pig" are you not a fan of that stage of rock roll though?
 
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Then HHS sets up exchanges for your state. I'm not sure if you still rate the subsidy or not, but there will be no Medicaid expansion.

Exchange?.......
 
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This is awesome :lol:
 
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I'm sorry for your grandson's problems. What make you think Obama Care will cover that?

a girl actually.....and under Obamacare, her insurance company can't drop her, or limit her care....when she first got dx'd, they tried to drop her, couldn't prove pre-existing condition, but they tried. Last year, they tried to limit her care, putting her at risk of growing a third tumor. She still has the original tumor, and has had an outgrowth of that one, golf ball size, removed. That operation caused her to have to learn to walk again....
Her daddy works, buys insurance for his family, and her insurance company would just let her die if they had their way.
But, they found a good lawyer, and the insurance company thought better of it.
Not all of Obamacare is bad....their dirty tricks are not allowed...
 
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Also there are a few amusing threats to leave the country and move to (fill in the name of some other country with even more statist health care). :lol:

Yeah, THOSE are the funniest comments. I heard them from the left when Bush was elected and the right when Obama was. Pretty much all of those people are still hear. Empty threats just demonstrate weakness.
 
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Not nessacarily Chief Justice Roberts actually said that a mandate by itself isnt really anything, but a Mandate with a monetary penalty can be counted as a tax.

It could just be one and the same in this case

this is incorrect - the Court explicitly stated that an attempt to utilize the Commerce Clause to justify a mandate would be UnConstitutional.
 
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And many hippies said things like "off the pig" are you not a fan of that stage of rock roll though?

:shrug: and if the Beatles had written songs praising people who actually "offed pigs", and had then been invited to perform at the White House, then that would indeed have been a problem.
 
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