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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you want to violently overthrow the freely-elected govt. of the USA, because folks who don't have health insurance will be charged $650 a year?
    Yes.........
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I believe this ends the United States.

    The supreme court has set the precedent that effectively means there are no more limits to the federal government's power. Private property rights were effectively ended today.....
    the USA isn't as weak as you appear to think it is.

    and no, this ruling has NOTHING to do with private-property rights.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I hate to break this to you, but while states can TECHNICALLY opt out, in practice they won't be able to unless they want to foot the whole bill themselves.
    again wrong.. but keep your streak alive... 0 for 1,000,000 is impressive in Obama land..

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I brought up Ron Paul, American replied he lived in the wrong time where people didn't know where he was coming from - I concurred, the FFs ie slave owning Libertarians (by Ron Paul's own account) would know where he's coming from.
    Can you ever stay on target or is your hatred against libertarians so much that you can't control yourself?

    Another example of why we cannot have an intelligent debate on this subject.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Granted that I havent read through the entire strata of responses, has anyone referenced all those waivers? They are waivers against a tax yes? You cant apply a tax selectively or grant waivers selectively. Are those waivers constitutional? If they are not, what then? There are literally millions of people affected by those waivers as well.

    Then we move onto the argument of taxing whatever the heck you want, from cell phones (you need them to call for emergency care, as an argument) to green policies (has to have a certain MPG) or lulz here but how about taxing for NOT having a gun for self protection. All of those could be applied from this ruling. This didnt stop the problems, its just the beginning of the mess we are going to have to sort out, this ruling was probably the largest since Wickard---which was somewhat derailed by this ruling in an odd way by sidestepping into the tax area and not ruling on the limitation of the commerce clause.
    the waivers are given to corporations (shocking, I know). Individuals who have taxes levied against them do not have an ability to get a waiver

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Interesting position. Is there a "tax" for not driving a car? Is there a situation where you could just not have to pay car insurance? Answer is yup, don't drive a car.

    What you're essentially doing is equating a voluntary action like "driving a car" to living. So, I guess in a way you're right, if you don't want to pay the tax or get bloated insurance you could just kill yourself, but I guess that logic would apply to any law really.
    For most people driving a car is a necessity. Some people can get away not driving a car, but for pretty much everyone else, you are forced to carry car insurance, and pretty much everyone does it and doesn't complain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    What people neglect are the alternatives to big bloated insurance that many people choose to use because they are more practical for them. No, your options aren't just buying a 400 buck a month insurance plan or leeching off the public dime.
    Just what exactly are those alternatives, self-pay?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I agree with you. It won't be a civil war.

    It will have to be a revolution. The Constitution has been overturned. There are no more limits for government. So the government must go. This is an overwhelmingly bad thing that the Democrats and the Supreme Court has done.
    Well then - see you at the gallows, my treason endorsing friend.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the waivers are given to corporations (shocking, I know). Individuals who have taxes levied against them do not have an ability to get a waiver
    The corporate beast is whom the government panders to. A give away to the insurance companies with get out of jail free cards for the corporations. Yay! I'm sure glad that we didn't solve any of the actual problems with our health care system.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    again wrong.. but keep your streak alive... 0 for 1,000,000 is impressive in Obama land..
    Watch and learn, Grasshopper.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the waivers are given to corporations (shocking, I know). Individuals who have taxes levied against them do not have an ability to get a waiver
    If corporations are people, do t hey have to have health insurance too?
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