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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    From what I understand, they ruled the individual mandate of health insurance fine as a tax (which in Obama's rhetoric he denied). I do not believe the courts can rule a tax as unconstitutional until it has been charged.

    I also understand that the federal government forcing states to expand Medicaid was struck down as unconstitutional.
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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Sore loser much?
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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I think it means they can opt out of the healthcare exchange part without losing existing Medicare funding. I don't think it means that anyone can avoid the mandate.
    Thanx for clarification, if it meant the states could opt out I just don't see how that would not have killed the bill entirely
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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Sore loser much?
    more fatalist/pessimist. conservatives tend not to share liberals fond belief that Washington has a Magic Money Tree that will always provide enough revenue.

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    This is a major victory for African America because the Black Underclass will now be the major beneficiary of the transfer of wealth from the White Middle Class. This helps Black people at the expense of White people.
    Nonsense. The Act primarily benefits the working class -- more white people than black people.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    This is a major victory for African America because the Black Underclass will now be the major beneficiary of the transfer of wealth from the White Middle Class. This helps Black people at the expense of White people.
    Get that from Stormfront?

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    more fatalist/pessimist. conservatives tend not to share liberals fond belief that Washington has a Magic Money Tree that will always provide enough revenue.
    Conservatives tend to be sore losers who make silly threats of armed revolution whenever they lose an argument.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    They're gonna need it, because trust me some of us are not going to take this crap lying down.
    What are ya gonna do? Write a blog?

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    There are parts of the bill that are pretty popular with the public. The mandate isn't one of them and that's what everyone thinks when they hear "Obamacare." So Romney's problem would be repealing the unpopular parts, and keeping the popular parts in place, or he's gonna get hammered in 2016 for taking away the popular parts.
    Romney knows damned well that the popular parts can't stand without the mandate. That's why he created the mandate in MA.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    nah. the thing that is impossible about Obamacare is fully implementing it - 2700 pages, all the regulations still haven't been written, more than half the states havent' even started getting ready to set up exchanges, and the cost will collapse the federal fisc. A simple "repeal" bill with a presidential signature is pretty simple, as would be giving out a waiver to all 50 states. Hell, Obama has set a precedent with Amnesty, Romney could just declare that he has ordered the IRS and HHS not to enforce the ACA.
    2700 pages means diddly dude. The game is over, you can stop with the talking points.

    As far as the executive order idea, there are limits to it. It's one thing to order limited resources to focus on certain things. It can't be used to simply change the tax code, and now that this is officially a tax, Romney wouldn't be able to just change that with a declaration, unless you want him to be a dictator.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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