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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No one gets something for nothing under this bill. The poorest people affected still have to pay part of their premiums.
    Sure they do, with my money.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    That logic would follow is the government were incapable of incurring debt. However, as we all know, taxes are defined independently; just because one tax is lowered doesn't mean another is raised to compensate.

    Again, it doesn't cost me anything to NOT buy an electric car. The taxes that COULD be deducted were taxes I was already obligated to pay.
    As I'm sure you know, there is no free lunch. If a deduction is paid for by borrowing then it will eventually have to be paid for by higher taxes and/or spending cuts.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Was today's decision a defeat for Conservatives? Not necessarily, and here's why. What would definitely have been ruled Constitutional would have been to put EVERYBODY in the US under Medicare, thus giving us a system just like Canada's. Medicare is already settled law, and the only thing that would have to be done is merely changing the age from 65 to 0. Obamacare may be upon us, but it could have been a lot worse, had the Democrats pushed for a change in Medicare and won.

    Conservatives should not see todays ruling as either a victory or as a defeat. It's more like a tie in a football game, which is tantamount to having to kiss your sister. Liberals should see it the same way, since if they got what they wanted, Canada's system would be America's system too. And yes, today's ruling is an ugly looking sister too.
    I believe this ends the United States.

    The supreme court has set the precedent that effectively means there are no more limits to the federal government's power. Private property rights were effectively ended today.

    No matter who the president is the nation is doomed. The statists have won.

    So what is left? I believe a revolution must now occur. I do not see any way around it now that the full blown tyranny is upon us. It is a defeat for everybody.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you see tens of millions of more Americans having health-insurance and pre-conditions being covered, as a bad thing?
    For every ONE added SELF PAYING customer THREE are added to the TAXPAYER FUNDED "pool". If you think that this saves you money then you are either a fool, or in the poor pool.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Sure they do, with my money.
    Nnnnnooooo, with their money.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    AARP is in the INSURANCE business, just as the NRA is in the "CCW permit" training class business, thus suddenly likes the CCW training class business more than the 2nd amendment "freedom" now. The comingling of state/private interests is amazing now. AARP likes the mandate AND the cuts in Medicare since they sell more insurance to both seniors and non-seniors that way. Yes they can!

    Yup. IMO, they talked seniors into buying into this Obamacare bill, telling them everything was gonna be fine. How many of us on this board don't have an elderly parent/grandparent who's going to suffer?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    Mandating health insurance is like mandating that everyone carries car insurance if they drive, not like buying towels. People go to ER's all the time and don't pay.
    Interesting position. Is there a "tax" for not driving a car? Is there a situation where you could just not have to pay car insurance? Answer is yup, don't drive a car.

    What you're essentially doing is equating a voluntary action like "driving a car" to living. So, I guess in a way you're right, if you don't want to pay the tax or get bloated insurance you could just kill yourself, but I guess that logic would apply to any law really.

    What people neglect is that the high cost of current health care includes this ER coverage in which people are already paying for people that don't carry insurance.
    What people neglect are the alternatives to big bloated insurance that many people choose to use because they are more practical for them. No, your options aren't just buying a 400 buck a month insurance plan or leeching off the public dime.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yeah, we know. Ron Paul's problem is that he thinks he's speaking to people 200 years ago who would know exactly where he's coming from; instead of people who are clueless about the Constitution. He's right about a lot, but not about some things, and his approach needs work.
    I'm pretty sure those slave owning Libertarians would know where he's coming from.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Nnnnnooooo, with their money.
    Unless they can't afford it. in which case there are grants to pay for it... which is paid for by the government who is funded by.... (I'll give you a hint - the penalties will not be enough to cover the grants. not even 50%)

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    For every ONE added SELF PAYING customer THREE are added to the TAXPAYER FUNDED "pool". If you think that this saves you money then you are either a fool, or in the poor pool.
    And what do you think those people were doing for healthcare before? Doing without? No, they were getting it for free at everyone else's expense. Now they will at least pick up some of the tab.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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