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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm going to disagree with this line of thinking. This isn't about race, it's about poor people getting something for nothing again.
    No one gets something for nothing under this bill. The poorest people affected still have to pay part of their premiums.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    What's amazing about this the AARP sold the seniors down river. The AARP told the seniors they were getting a deal. But they really got the shaft. Those not eating cat food now, will be soon.
    White seniors are ripe for being stoked with resentment. They are already disgusted with the culture for the most part.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Obamacare is going to be like abortion. A festering wound for the country.
    you see tens of millions of more Americans having health-insurance and pre-conditions being covered, as a bad thing?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why does it bother you to help your fellow Americans so much?
    What unifies Americans? No one can answer this question articulately.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    White seniors are ripe for being stoked with resentment. They are already disgusted with the culture for the most part.
    I expect there to be little concern over this, from white old people. What are they gonna do, throw their false-teeth at the tv?
    Last edited by Thunder; 06-28-12 at 02:41 PM.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    What's amazing about this the AARP sold the seniors down river. The AARP told the seniors they were getting a deal. But they really got the shaft. Those not eating cat food now, will be soon.
    AARP is in the INSURANCE business, just as the NRA is in the "CCW permit" training class business, thus suddenly likes the CCW training class business more than the 2nd amendment "freedom" now. The comingling of state/private interests is amazing now. AARP likes the mandate AND the cuts in Medicare since they sell more insurance to both seniors and non-seniors that way. Yes they can!
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That's a poor analogy because it doesn't cost you anything NOT to eat at the steak house. In contrast, if there is a tax deduction that you aren't getting, it does cost you something because your taxes have to be higher and/or government services have to be lower to pay for the deduction.

    See the difference?
    That logic would follow is the government were incapable of incurring debt. However, as we all know, taxes are defined independently; just because one tax is lowered doesn't mean another is raised to compensate.

    Again, it doesn't cost me anything to NOT buy an electric car. The taxes that COULD be deducted were taxes I was already obligated to pay.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you see tens of millions of more Americans having health-insurance and pre-conditions being covered, as a bad thing?

    You're explaining the benefits. To do a fair comparison, you need to look at the costs as well. And the costs add up to more than the finances in this case (though the financial benefits themselves are enough for some to discredit this)

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You guys can always call Ron Paul. He'll save ya.
    Yeah, we know. Ron Paul's problem is that he thinks he's speaking to people 200 years ago who would know exactly where he's coming from; instead of people who are clueless about the Constitution. He's right about a lot, but not about some things, and his approach needs work.
    Last edited by American; 06-28-12 at 02:42 PM.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Keep digging, you haven't reached the bottom yet...
    When one digs beneath the walls of a fortress those walls are undermined. It just requires digging really really deep.

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