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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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Thrilla said:
he does have a point about indirect tax burdens though... such as the taxes on medical devices, pharmaceuticals, and other stuff that will be felt indirectly ( as we all know those taxes will be passed onto to the consumers)
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Say what?? What increase of taxes is there on medical devices and other medical stuff that you seem to believe will be passed on to the consumer??

And Why would medical costs go up? The medical industry in about to get a raise. No longer will there be masses of people running to emergency rooms for every complaint and then stiffing the hospital on the bill. Now the hospitals will collect on those bills. If anything, this should lower costs; though in reality, almost nothing comes down in price, so I'm not expecting that.
 
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lizzie said:
I hope to God they can do it.
I hadn't really committed to voting for anyone with an R behind their name this year, but today confirms that I will.
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Meh. The problem is that the people with the R behind their name refuse to offer any better solutions. Shouting, "repeal, repeal, repeal" is not the same as fixing health care. It amazes me to watch everyone rehash the same debate from 2010.

If you are a true libertarian then this was the best possible victory. The court finally limited the power that Congress had to exert the commerce clause. That was the battle that needed to be won.
 
mac said:
you missed the 15k new IRS agents authorized by Obamacare, right?

Cova yo head, yo.
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Redress said:
Seriously people, fact check...

FactCheck.org : IRS Expansion
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mac said:
"The law does make individuals subject to a tax, starting in 2014, if they fail to obtain health insurance coverage. "


That's your own link, homey.
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You can't be doing this by accident, it has to be intentional. Have a claim debunked, and act like you made some entirely unrelated claim.
 
I'm just thouroughly amazed at the fact the the SCOTUS only approved the bill's constitutionality under congress' right to tax and yet the far lefties here want to still claim that it is not a tax.


The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
 
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j-mac said:
And the majority of those $200 to $250K "individuals" are small businesses where the owner files the business under individual tax returns. Which means that if that owner actually makes say $50K and the business did $150k then you are hitting the middle class, and small business at the same time....Congradulations.
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Wait! Wait! ....... I haven't stopped laughing over your post on DEATH PANELS!!!

:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo

Give me a few more minutes, will ya?
 
mac said:
I'm just thouroughly amazed at the fact the the SCOTUS only approved the bill's constitutionality under congress' right to tax and yet the far lefties here want to still claim that it is not a tax.


The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
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Who is claiming it is not a tax? Just because all your talking points have been shown to be lies and you have proven you can't follow a conversation does not mean you should just make **** up.
 
Redress said:
You can't be doing this by accident, it has to be intentional. Have a claim debunked, and act like you made some entirely unrelated claim.
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What claim is debunked? My claim that no new tax is involved? The individual mandate survived on the Congress' right to tax. Come on dude, you ain't that ignorant.
 
Redress said:
Who is claiming it is not a tax? Just because all your talking points have been shown to be lies and you have proven you can't follow a conversation does not mean you should just make **** up.
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Obama.


He claimed there was no new tax.
 
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j-mac said:
Mark Hemmingway did a good job explaining why liberal supposed fact checkers like 'FactCheck' are nothing but propaganda shills for Obama...

Lies, Damned Lies, and
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Do you have any idea just how incredibly ****ing ridiculous citing a Weekly Standard editorial to prove liberal bias is? I know why conservatives are so scared of fact checking. It is because the facts all support liberal positions.
 
your partisanship is pathetic, bro.
 
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mac said:
Don't listen to me.
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You really think I needed you to suggest that? :lamo
 
mac said:
Obama.


He claimed there was no new tax.
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So Obama is now a "far lefty here"? Damn, you should stop while you are behind, this is getting sad.
 
mac said:
What claim is debunked? My claim that no new tax is involved? The individual mandate survived on the Congress' right to tax. Come on dude, you ain't that ignorant.
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The one I quoted you making in the post for god's sake. The one about the 15k IRS agents.
 
mac said:
I'm just thouroughly amazed at the fact the the SCOTUS only approved the bill's constitutionality under congress' right to tax and yet the far lefties here want to still claim that it is not a tax.


The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
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Um...it's pretty simple.

It was a fine as envisioned by Obama and the Democrats.

It was defined as a fine in the law.

It was argued to be a fine by the lawyers who represented it.

It was supported as a fine by the lower courts.

It was made into a tax by the Supreme Court ruling.

The whole, "Obama and the liberals said this wasn't a tax, but it is." argument is a losing one, because the Supreme Court ultimately made it into a tax through their interpretation.
 
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Kandahar said:
Who cares what it's called? The Supreme Court calls it a tax for legal reasons, Obama calls it a penalty for political salesmanship reasons. It really doesn't matter what you call it, it's now the law of the land with the Supreme Court's stamp of approval. Eat it.
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I have no problem eating that this is the law of the land( it a good strict constitutionalist interpretation)... but you seem to have a big problem with the fact that this is a tax....
do what you must to convince yourself it's not a tax, i'll stick with facts.

wasn't it you that lied to me about liberals not supporting this mandate a while ago? .. and now here you are ... supporting it. :lol:
 
Redress said:
The one I quoted you making in the post for god's sake. The one about the 15k IRS agents.
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Ok, I'll have to work on proving you wrong. It's late and I don't feel like digging. But....how about the fact that SCOTUS declared, legally, that it was a new tax. How do you feel about that ****, partisano?

edit: btw, I really could give a **** about the 15k new IRS agents...the new tax is rock solid.
 
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mac said:
I'm just thouroughly amazed at the fact the the SCOTUS only approved the bill's constitutionality under congress' right to tax and yet the far lefties here want to still claim that it is not a tax.


The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
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WTF??

All I said was ... my taxes have not gone up nor do I see them going up because of today's decision. You don't even know what boogie man you're fighting, do ya?
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Wait! Wait! ....... I haven't stopped laughing over your post on DEATH PANELS!!!

:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo

Give me a few more minutes, will ya?
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Truth hurts doesn't it....I can always tell, when there is no retort other than your lame attempt at mockery.
 
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Thrilla said:
I have no problem eating that this is the law of the land( it a good strict constitutionalist interpretation)... but you seem to have a big problem with the fact that this is a tax....
do what you must to convince yourself it's not a tax, i'll stick with facts.

wasn't it you that lied to me about liberals not supporting this mandate a while ago? .. and now here you are ... supporting it. :lol:
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Free Rider Provision. That is the liberal name for it.
 
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Thrilla said:
I have no problem eating that this is the law of the land( it a good strict constitutionalist interpretation)... but you seem to have a big problem with the fact that this is a tax.
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Nope, I have no problem with it being a tax, a penalty, a giraffe, or anything else you like, as long as it's the law of the land. :2wave:

wasn't it you that lied to me about liberals not supporting this mandate a while ago? .. and now here you are ... supporting it. :lol:
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I don't know what you're talking about. I never said liberals don't support the individual mandate, I said that most liberals would prefer to have a public option or single-payer instead.
 
CriticalThought said:
Um...it's pretty simple.

It was a fine as envisioned by Obama and the Democrats.

It was defined as a fine in the law.

It was argued to be a fine by the lawyers who represented it.

It was supported as a fine by the lower courts.

It was made into a tax by the Supreme Court ruling.

The whole, "Obama and the liberals said this wasn't a tax, but it is." argument is a losing one, because the Supreme Court ultimately made it into a tax through their interpretation.
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It was the Obama lawyers that argued in the SC that it was a tax. Why are libs lying so hard now? Do you really believe that America is that stupid? You guy's are goin' down hard in approximately 4 months.
 
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