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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Do you understand the difference between saying "Come eat at my steak house, I'll give you 10 bucks!" and saying "If you don't come to my steakhouse, you will be required by law to pay me 10 bucks!"

    Funny, I had this same conversation earlier.
    That's a poor analogy because it doesn't cost you anything NOT to eat at the steak house. In contrast, if there is a tax deduction that you aren't getting, it does cost you something because your taxes have to be higher and/or government services have to be lower to pay for the deduction.

    See the difference?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The penalty for not buying insurance will surely hurt the middle-class more than the wealthy. But doesn't that go against the accusation that Obama is engaging in class-warfare against the rich in favor of the middle-class?

    hmmm...
    his hope and change crap was just that. just one more in a long line of big business big government fools.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Romney doesn't want to repeal "Obamacare", and couldn't if he wanted to. It will take an act of Congress to repeal it now, and that's about as likely as the survival of a snowball in the street in Phoenix in July. He just knows that promising to repeal it will give him political points among the "conservatives", which he sorely needs.
    Obamacare is going to be like abortion. A festering wound for the country.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I was encouraged by this:



    My chief concern was this regulation, and now I'm confident it will remain in place.
    It's quite clear that Obamacare will not just be thrown away and forgot about. If somehow republicans do manage to get rid of it, they will HAVE to present an alternative to it themselves, otherwise they will alienate the voters.

    Sadly, while there are plenty of conservative alternatives I like, Romney is probably the last guy I'd expect to understand them.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'm looking at a heart transplat in my future. So I was really eye balling spending caps. A 2.2 million dollar cap can be eaten up pretty quickly in that situation.
    That heart-transplant list more than just doubled (or will have in 2014). We didn't increase the number of heart-transplants here. We haven't increased supply of medical care. Medical care was already max'd. We increased demand. The number of issues we are about to experience, the fallout of this decision, is a complete unknown.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'm looking at a heart transplat in my future. So I was really eye balling spending caps. A 2.2 million dollar cap can be eaten up pretty quickly in that situation.
    I wish you well. This political battle seems won, the regulations will likely stand, and I think it'll be a net positive for most people.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm going to disagree with this line of thinking. This isn't about race, it's about poor people getting something for nothing again.
    My friend, you and I will have to agree to disagree.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    It's quite clear that Obamacare will not just be thrown away and forgot about. If somehow republicans do manage to get rid of it, they will HAVE to present an alternative to it themselves, otherwise they will alienate the voters.

    Sadly, while there are plenty of conservative alternatives I like, Romney is probably the last guy I'd expect to understand them.
    You guys can always call Ron Paul. He'll save ya.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Read my post again, since it is obvious you didn't, because in that post I gave Bush an A+ on judges, just like I did when he was in office. Reading is fundamental.
    I'm not in the mood to keep rehashing this stuff, we had our disagreements over Bush. We probably still do. Given that you're suppose to be a conservative, I don't think you've been evenhanded, and I'm leaving it at that.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Answer my question then. No, cant? Nice try, thanks for playing. Oh, and make sure to buy Linquatts brand towel cozies, it's the law.
    Mandating health insurance is like mandating that everyone carries car insurance if they drive, not like buying towels. People go to ER's all the time and don't pay. What people neglect is that the high cost of current health care includes this ER coverage in which people are already paying for people that don't carry insurance.

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