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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    I almost feel like siding with Conservatives on this... not only do they get smacked around in court... but ROBERTS! Their GOLDEN boy in SCOTUS is the one to stab them in the back. The only thing that would even come remotely close to this would be Sotomayor siding with Arizona on the immigration law and upholding the entire law.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You didn't read the citation. Premiums declined in Mass.

    As far as the "$500M" myth:

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Some are, but most seniors are white because America was a primarily white country when they were born. Besides, life expectancies for Blacks and Hispanics are lower than those for white people.
    so what. This is not a racial issue.

    Turning it into one ensures your failure on the topic.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the true irony would be implementing a tax on any citizen that does not buy a gun.

    look, you don't have to buy a gun, but the fact you don't have one increases the cost of security in this country. You should be taxed for the increased cost of security.

    can't wait to see progressives see another government expansion come back to bite them.

    don't worry about the income tax people, this is to soak the rich! NOT!
    Nice try, but the costs of security are included in the amount of taxes people pay for their local police forces. Unless you're piss broke or jobless, you're contributing to that cost rather than free-riding. The same is not true of the healthcare market.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the true irony would be implementing a tax on any citizen that does not buy a gun.

    look, you don't have to buy a gun, but the fact you don't have one increases the cost of security in this country. You should be taxed for the increased cost of security.

    can't wait to see progressives see another government expansion come back to bite them.

    don't worry about the income tax people, this is to soak the rich! NOT!
    It doesn't really matter who this applies to because the ruling had nothing to do with who it applies to.

    I chose not to go with guns because I wanted to make a point more about the potential corporate coercion in congress and less about politics.

    But you're absolutely right. Damn, that tax is gonna SUCK for New York and DC.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I have to admit though...Im stunned that this was upheld...Im even more stunned that it was Roberts that sided with obamacare and not kennedy...this should have been a sure death knell for Obamacare...amazing events
    Me too, I thought the Dems who said it would be upheld was just wishful thinking. Color me surprised!


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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    I was encouraged by this:

    Quote Originally Posted by MittRomney
    Number two, got to make sure that those people who have preexisting conditions know that they will be able to be insured and they will not lose their insurance.
    My chief concern was this regulation, and now I'm confident it will remain in place.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I have to admit though...Im stunned that this was upheld...Im even more stunned that it was Roberts that sided with obamacare and not kennedy...this should have been a sure death knell for Obamacare...amazing events
    Yeah, I wasn't expecting it to be upheld.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Seniors and FUTURE seniors. Wait, isn't that everyone? ;-)
    Not at this moment in time. Young people aren't able to conceptualize what it is like to be old until they are old.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    You will have to ask Mitt Romney. I don't support him. He's willing to collaborate.
    Romney doesn't want to repeal "Obamacare", and couldn't if he wanted to. It will take an act of Congress to repeal it now, and that's about as likely as the survival of a snowball in the street in Phoenix in July. He just knows that promising to repeal it will give him political points among the "conservatives", which he sorely needs.
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