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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You bashed W for everything, as though he never did anything right. That was wrong. He did some things wrong, like spending too much, but he didn't do everything wrong.
    Bush did some things I liked.

    I'm probably thinking a little more emotionally than I should be. It just irks me that Roberts did this.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    I know, and yet I'm still pissed off that it was a supposedly conservative appointee that just expanded the power of federal government to pretty much encompass any level of coercion imaginable.
    Um... no.

    That's not what happened.

    Nice try. Thank you for playing.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Was today's decision a defeat for Conservatives? Not necessarily, and here's why. What would definitely have been ruled Constitutional would have been to put EVERYBODY in the US under Medicare, thus giving us a system just like Canada's. Medicare is already settled law, and the only thing that would have to be done is merely changing the age from 65 to 0. Obamacare may be upon us, but it could have been a lot worse, had the Democrats pushed for a change in Medicare and won.

    Conservatives should not see todays ruling as either a victory or as a defeat. It's more like a tie in a football game, which is tantamount to having to kiss your sister. Liberals should see it the same way, since if they got what they wanted, Canada's system would be America's system too. And yes, today's ruling is an ugly looking sister too.
    Its a loss for them dan...because clowns like Boneheader Boehner had the bill DOA and was shooting his yapper off that after it went down in scotus he was going to gut the rest of it....Teapartiers have been walking back all their victory tweets...they made it a loss because they were tooting their horns and sticking their chest out before the ruling came out

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Well, My thoughts very preliminarily are really several fold here.

    1. I think that Roberts was wrong to side with the liberal wing of the court here, largely on the unequal taxation that this will now enshrine that the government has the right to do. So, the court today just wiped out a piece of the constitution in that regard.

    2. The ruling has energized those who are and have been against this law from the begining, the group we saw in 2010 sweep elections. Romney, if his team is smart enough to take advantage of this will win November in a landslide on the anger of the 60% of Americans against this law.

    3. Even though Obama said to George Snufolupogus in 2009 that 'no way was this a tax' and then repeated that over, and over, until they got in front of the court, now it is a tax. The largest tax on the middle class in history! Good job libs...$4000. to every middle class family estimated by the CBO.

    4. The court, and Obama have just dropped the hammer on small business, in this time of anemic growth at best is plain stupid! Many now will drop Health Insurance offered to employees, and take the tax because it will be cheaper to do so. Or, they will go out of business all together under the weight of cost.


    This was a fraud from the beginning, and remains a lie to this day that Obama has given us...I am saddened, but at the same time hopeful that America will wake up and stop the progressive nightmare.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I don't believe you. No one can deny that $500 billion will be transferred out of Medicare and into Obamacare. White seniors will resent this. Their resentment is a basis for political action.
    no blacks, Hispanics, or Asians on Medicare huh?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Anyone know what the case number for this is?
    11-393c3a2
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The majority are not for racial divides, your side is a tiny, fringe minority becoming more and more insignificant.
    The American economy no longer produces the excess wealth necessary to buy social peace. This will throw different groups into fierce political and economic competition. Some groups will move up and others will move down the food chain. The losers will be resentful.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I accept your change of heart.





    FactCheck.org : ‘RomneyCare’ Facts and Falsehoods


    Thanks for the citation.





    I agree. This is about a political culture that has placed us in the position of a nonviolent civil war.










    I support full civil rights for LGBTQ people. Is that what you're referring to?

    I see so...

    The major components of the state and federal law are similar, but details vary. The federal law put a greater emphasis on cost-control measures, for instance. Massachusetts is just now tackling that.
    ACA is the better modified version of Romney care.


    So, why would Mitt want to repeal the better version of his bill?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Um... no.

    That's not what happened.

    Nice try. Thank you for playing.
    Answer my question then. No, cant? Nice try, thanks for playing. Oh, and make sure to buy Linquatts brand towel cozies, it's the law.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I don't believe you. No one can deny that $500 billion will be transferred out of Medicare and into Obamacare. White seniors will resent this. Their resentment is a basis for political action.
    You didn't read the citation. Premiums declined in Mass.

    As far as the "$500M" myth:

    A related myth is that health-care reform will be financed through $500 billion in Medicare cuts. This refers to proposed decreases in Medicare increases. That is, spending is on track to reach $803 billion in 2019 from today's $422 billion, and that would be dialed back. Even the $560 billion in reductions (which would be spread over 10 years and come from reducing payments to private Medicare advantage plans, reducing annual increases in payments to hospitals and other providers, and improving care so seniors are not readmitted to a hospital) is misleading: the House bill also gives Medicare $340 billion more over a decade. The money would pay docs more for office visits, eliminate copays and deductibles for preventive care, and help close the "doughnut hole" in the Medicare drug benefit, explains Medicare expert Tricia Neuman of the Kaiser Family Foundation
    The Five Biggest Lies in the Health Care Debate - Sharon Begley
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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