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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    And on the upside, this decision will bring us toward insolvency at an accelerated rate, at which point the reset button will be engaged.
    Pretty much revolution / secession time, yeah. Even if you get this law repealed, we can look forward to decades of "you're an activist judge if you don't respect stare decisis on making people buy something as a function of breathing," ergo, socialist items #2-8000 are also "Constitutional."

    Reset. GG.


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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    hooray. they threw us a rhetorical bone:

    ...The Court holds that the mandate violates the Commerce Clause, but that doesn't matter b/c there are five votes for the mandate to be constitutional under the taxing power...

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    apparently not so much:
    I figured that was a typo. They would never determine that people have the power to avoid paying their taxes. It would make no sense.

    I'd expect that from Scalia or someone like that that doesn't give a **** about the constitution, not from the other justices.
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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    The key comment on salvaging the Medicaid expansion is this (from Roberts): "Nothing in our opinion precludes Congress from offering funds under the ACA to expand the availability of health care, and requiring that states accepting such funds comply with the conditions on their use. What Congress is not free to do is to penalize States that choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their existing Medicaid funding." (p. 55)
    Does that mean the states that brought this to court can opt out?
    If so what % of the US population is in those states and what effect will that have on Obamacare?
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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Pretty much revolution / secession time, yeah. Reset. GG.
    Sore loser much?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Does that mean the states that brought this to court can opt out?
    If so what % of the US population is in those states and what effect will that have on Obamacare?
    I think it means they can opt out of the healthcare exchange part without losing existing Medicare funding. I don't think it means that anyone can avoid the mandate.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Kennedy says he would have invalidated the act entirely.

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    This is a major victory for African America because the Black Underclass will now be the major beneficiary of the transfer of wealth from the White Middle Class. This helps Black people at the expense of White people.

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    conservatives can at least take solace in the fact that they held it violated the commerce clause, which will limit the decision's effect.
    that is true - it is nice to finally get some kind of limit on that thing.

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    nah. the thing that is impossible about Obamacare is fully implementing it - 2700 pages, all the regulations still haven't been written, more than half the states havent' even started getting ready to set up exchanges, and the cost will collapse the federal fisc. A simple "repeal" bill with a presidential signature is pretty simple, as would be giving out a waiver to all 50 states. Hell, Obama has set a precedent with Amnesty, Romney could just declare that he has ordered the IRS and HHS not to enforce the ACA.
    There are parts of the bill that are pretty popular with the public. The mandate isn't one of them and that's what everyone thinks when they hear "Obamacare." So Romney's problem would be repealing the unpopular parts, and keeping the popular parts in place, or he's gonna get hammered in 2016 for taking away the popular parts.


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