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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    I love that far-right talking point on this is "See, it is a tax, it is a tax. He's raising taxes." They're all embracing a weak parsing of words to make a meaningless point.


    Hey Tea Party and Very-Conservatives:

    Explain this --


    If conservatism is about personal responsibility, then why should people NOT purchase health care if they can afford it? Why should people of means be allowed to just show up at the emergency room and get free health care?

    Do you want to pay the bill for a young married couple who would rather spend money on a nice new BMW than buy the minimum health coverage -- but they wrap that nice new BMW around a tree while touring Napa Valley. They were young and healthy and invincible, so why should they worry about health coverage? It's they're "right" to no be covered. Damn Obama and his socialism, now they have to be responsible citizens and postpone napa until they can really afford it. Damn Mitt Romney and the Heritage foundation for inventing and testing the individual mandate at the state level.

    With the GOP it seems that personal responsibility only applies to the unemployed people who got laid off their job--those bums need to get a job. But people with money can get a free ride in the emergency room.

    I await an explanation.

    You say 'tax' I say tomato and not being burden on society when you drink and eat your way into the emergency room.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Was today's decision a defeat for Conservatives? Not necessarily, and here's why. What would definitely have been ruled Constitutional would have been to put EVERYBODY in the US under Medicare, thus giving us a system just like Canada's. Medicare is already settled law, and the only thing that would have to be done is merely changing the age from 65 to 0. Obamacare may be upon us, but it could have been a lot worse, had the Democrats pushed for a change in Medicare and won.

    Conservatives should not see todays ruling as either a victory or as a defeat. It's more like a tie in a football game, which is tantamount to having to kiss your sister. Liberals should see it the same way, since if they got what they wanted, Canada's system would be America's system too. And yes, today's ruling is an ugly looking sister too.
    Consider for a moment what was really done. "Private" medical insurance now must provide whatever benefits (minimum AND maximum) that the gov't dictates, in ALL states. Also gov't may limit the maximum premium AND "overhead" costs that "private" insurance companies may charge. If the gov't requires "private" insurance companies to provide $7K average annual benefits per insured, yet restricts their premiums to $7K max annually, they close their doors, as profit is then impossible. About 90% of medical insurance is now provided as an employer paid benefit, that will drop to about 70% under ObamaCare INITIALLY, but fall very fast as ALL premiums will soon rise to the gov't impossed maximum limit, causing more and more employers to drop that benefit in favor of the MUCH less expensive fine. This is VERY good for the gov't, since what was once a tax free employer benefit will then be paid using taxable employee salary money, creating a HUGE windfall in FIT and FICA tax revenues. Hmm...
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    And Roberts helped them.
    And that totally blows me away. I never could have seen this in a million years.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Folks at the low end of the scale will have to pay something towards their insurance, but it's subsidized on a sliding scale, with the subsidy phasing out as income rises. Would you prefer that they just get free health care?
    I'm realizing were arguing with people 'educated' by Glenn Beck.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Folks at the low end of the scale will have to pay something towards their insurance, but it's subsidized on a sliding scale, with the subsidy phasing out as income rises. Would you prefer that they just get free health care?
    As though the prosperity of the poor has ever risen by receiving welfare. We have the same percentage of poor now as we did then, and you think by continuing that thinking, it will change.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So this assault on our liberty wasn't staggering enough for you.
    its no more staggering than the Militia Act of 1792, which required Americans to buy something in order to provide for our nation's greater-good.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I think the Civil War turned out correctly.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And that totally blows me away. I never could have seen this in a million years.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Actually Medicare for all would have been much, much better, and I hope we are heading into that direction.
    It would have been better to leave my health care alone. Then I wouldn't be so resentful. The military budget could have been cut in order to provide health care coverage for the uninsured. It wasn't necessary to harm me and people similarly situated in order to expand health care coverage.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Actually Medicare for all would have been much, much better, and I hope we are heading into that direction.
    I have to respectfully disagree with you on that. Does healthcare need reform? Yes. Is the expansion of government the answer? No.
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