Page 48 of 194 FirstFirst ... 3846474849505898148 ... LastLast
Results 471 to 480 of 1937

Thread: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

  1. #471
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Undisclosed
    Last Seen
    03-18-13 @ 02:59 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,544

    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yea, but we fought a war to change it, your side lost yet after 150 years you still can't accept it.
    I think the Civil War turned out correctly.



    Go look it up.
    It's your responsibility to prove the truth of the matter you assert to be true.




    You are using the technique of those you hate?
    All is fair in love and war.






    Yep, and we see your form.
    Actually, my views are so eclectic that you probably haven't encountered someone like me who draws from both left and right.

  2. #472
    Guru
    Republic Now!'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Last Seen
    09-12-14 @ 11:40 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    2,671

    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I understand it as a tax deduction and not a tax... If you don't have insurance, you miss out on a federal deduction and that means you could very well pay higher taxes but it probably depends on your filing status and such.
    It's a tax because it is something that didn't previously need to be paid.
    One who makes himself a worm cannot complain when tread upon.

  3. #473
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,323

    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Yep, government set themselves up good, didn't they?
    And Roberts helped them.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  4. #474
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    I tried to warn folks not to get too far ahead of themselves and think they already know the outcome. What I hope is that they go back to work and craft something better. UHC would be best. A public option second best. But we'll just have to see how it plays out.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  5. #475
    Sage
    Gimmesometruth's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    US Southwest
    Last Seen
    09-13-17 @ 10:22 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    22,405

    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    That's your subjective opinion to which you are entitled. I don't agree with you about the motivating effect of this decision. No one can deny that $500 billion is being transferred from Medicare to Obamacare. The de facto impact is to transfer health care from white seniors to non-whites. This is the basis for deep resentment. Resentment is the basis for political action.

    Political speech often hurts the feelings of others. This is regrettable, but is a necessary predicate for political organization and action. African America has shown the way in which resentment can be used for political purposes. In doing so the precedent was established.
    Again, you are making it a race issue, it doesn't fly, it doesn't motivate your side and makes you look really bad. But please....don't stop, that helps my side.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

  6. #476
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    The greatest city on Earth
    Last Seen
    08-04-12 @ 04:27 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    31,089

    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384]

    A healthier nation is a stronger nation and a harder-working nation.

    The ACA will help achieve this.

  7. #477
    Sage
    AdamT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-13 @ 04:09 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    17,773

    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Don't feel sorry so fast.



    Add to that $5 trillion in new debt, stagnant economy and over 1 million filing new jobless claims per month vs 169,000 new jobs an what do you get?

    I can see you are unfamiliar with the health care bill. Folks making more than 133% of the Federal Poverty Level and you pay for insurance or pay the $600 a year tax. A single person making over $14,856 would have to pay for insurance (on $14,856, really?) or $600 tax. A married couple with no kids making over $20,122 a year would be required to pay for insurance for 2 or the tax for 2. A family of 4, 2 adults and 2 kids making over $30,656 a year would have to buy insurance for 4 or pay double the tax for the adults. I'm sure all of them will think this is a really good idea when they vote in November.
    Folks at the low end of the scale will have to pay something towards their insurance, but it's subsidized on a sliding scale, with the subsidy phasing out as income rises. Would you prefer that they just get free health care?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

  8. #478
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Undisclosed
    Last Seen
    03-18-13 @ 02:59 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,544

    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Where were you guys during the court case? I'm sure if you'd presented your arguments to the court they'd side with you. I honestly wonder why SCOTUS never listens to all the critics. I'm not saying they're infallible - but I doubt the arguments you guys are making were radically different from those made in court. If the courts didn't listen to the team of high powered attorneys - why would they listen to you? Why did ROBERTS a supposed "Constitutionalist" side with Obama?
    Hat, this ruling is a disaster for people like me because our quality of health care will deteriorate. In order to snatch something useful from this ruling I believe in stoking resentment in order to achieve political advantage. That's perfectly acceptable.

  9. #479
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,323

    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I tried to warn folks not to get too far ahead of themselves and think they already know the outcome. What I hope is that they go back to work and craft something better. UHC would be best. A public option second best. But we'll just have to see how it plays out.
    So this assault on our liberty wasn't staggering enough for you.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  10. #480
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    The greatest city on Earth
    Last Seen
    08-04-12 @ 04:27 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    31,089

    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    That's your subjective opinion to which you are entitled. I don't agree with you about the motivating effect of this decision. No one can deny that $500 billion is being transferred from Medicare to Obamacare. The de facto impact is to transfer health care from white seniors to non-whites. This is the basis for deep resentment. Resentment is the basis for political action.

    Political speech often hurts the feelings of others. This is regrettable, but is a necessary predicate for political organization and action. African America has shown the way in which resentment can be used for political purposes. In doing so the precedent was established.
    race-baiting this issue & discussion, is a horrible tactic that will surely hurt your cause.

    if the GOPers in the House & Senate replicated your strategy, the Democrats would soon rule this country.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •