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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    covering it live on the blog. mods- not sure if this is the best venue, but it was "breaking"

    Also, the Stolen Valor Act was declared to be in violation of the First Amendment, so any of you who are fake war heroes can go on telling people how you were a Green Beret Seal who won the Medal of Honor.



    Damn. Damn Damn Damn. Apparently they bought that it was a tax, Roberts has sided with the left of the Court.


    the Medicaid expansion was "limited but not invalidated"





    Seriously, you gotta be F'ing kidding me. Obama spent a year and a half swearing up and down that this wasn't a tax, Congressional leadership following in suit.
    I understand it as a tax deduction and not a tax... If you don't have insurance, you miss out on a federal deduction and that means you could very well pay higher taxes but it probably depends on your filing status and such.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Stupidest ****ing ruling ever, Roberts dropped the ball on this.
    Ah, the sweet, sweet smell of RW panties in a wad.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    This is another straw on the camel's back. As each straw is added the risk of the camel's back breaking increases.
    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The problem with the ruling is that it sets the precedent that Congress can pass a law taxing both action and inaction in any realm.
    Where were you guys during the court case? I'm sure if you'd presented your arguments to the court they'd side with you. I honestly wonder why SCOTUS never listens to all the critics. I'm not saying they're infallible - but I doubt the arguments you guys are making were radically different from those made in court. If the courts didn't listen to the team of high powered attorneys - why would they listen to you? Why did ROBERTS a supposed "Constitutionalist" side with Obama?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I find it extremely interesting that Roberts would agree with that, since it seems to go against his belief in strict interpretation.
    There's one interesting interpritation I've heard...

    Supposedly the SCOTUS can't rule on the constitutionality of a tax until it has been actually levied. So essentially, striking it by the commerce clause but declaring this thing a tax, is essentially saying "This, in general, is allowable because it's a tax and taxes are something the government can institute". HOWEVER, it's not stating said tax ITSELF is constitutional...only that it's constitutional for the government to levy a tax, and this thing levies a tax, and therefore the bill is constitutional in its current status today.

    A status where the tax hasn't been levied.

    Once the tax IS levied, THEN a decision regarding the constitutionality of the tax itself could be done.

    Now granted, this is really early and just one general reading of it I've heard and been able to gather myself...but that would be one possability for explaining Roberts view on this. Essentially that it's constitutional for the government to institute a tax in general, but that the constitutionality of this specific tax can't really be decided today because it hasn't been levied.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The problem with the ruling is that it sets the precedent that Congress can pass a law taxing both action and inaction in any realm.
    The Federal Government can make you do anything it wants and just call it a tax

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well that F'ing does it. I guess I really am going to have to send money to Romney.
    You seem to got that Obamacare was Romney's plan 4 years ago..

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Morally, I support this law. We need to have more Americans on health insurance in order to lower all of our ER costs, and to have a healthier Republic.

    But legally, I think the idea of taxing someone because they didn't buy something they don't want...is silly & dumb.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Was today's decision a defeat for Conservatives? Not necessarily, and here's why. What would definitely have been ruled Constitutional would have been to put EVERYBODY in the US under Medicare, thus giving us a system just like Canada's. Medicare is already settled law, and the only thing that would have to be done is merely changing the age from 65 to 0. Obamacare may be upon us, but it could have been a lot worse, had the Democrats pushed for a change in Medicare and won.

    Conservatives should not see todays ruling as either a victory or as a defeat. It's more like a tie in a football game, which is tantamount to having to kiss your sister. Liberals should see it the same way, since if they got what they wanted, Canada's system would be America's system too. And yes, today's ruling is an ugly looking sister too.
    Actually Medicare for all would have been much, much better, and I hope we are heading into that direction.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Much of your" "speech" is not political, it has racial commentary and causes resentment against you, it doesn't motivate your brethren.
    That's your subjective opinion to which you are entitled. I don't agree with you about the motivating effect of this decision. No one can deny that $500 billion is being transferred from Medicare to Obamacare. The de facto impact is to transfer health care from white seniors to non-whites. This is the basis for deep resentment. Resentment is the basis for political action.

    Political speech often hurts the feelings of others. This is regrettable, but is a necessary predicate for political organization and action. African America has shown the way in which resentment can be used for political purposes. In doing so the precedent was established.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I understand it as a tax deduction and not a tax
    From what I've read, you seem to understand it differently than the SCOTUS understood it as the basis for their ruling of it constitutional.

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