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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    A provision created by slave owners.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    When the ACA came out I was vehemently against the mandate as legitimized by the Commerce Clause. But I fully supported various portions (26yo, pre-existing, no limits, no cancellation, etc.) of the law as private insurance companies have the ability to price the various provisions into their premiums. Yes these would increase premiums but there is no free ride. Those being uncovered could have easily consumed into already existing public mechanisms (Medicare/Medicaid). After reading the SCOTUS questions and arguments it seemed they were seeing it favorably under the purview of a tax which I am not against. The Court now has voiced the opinion thusly. The persistent banter seemed to revolve around ‘forcing folks to purchase something’ and ‘it’s not a tax’. It seemed to me the President could have avoided much of this division by initially claiming it to be a tax but would have contradicted his campaign position but the court ultimately reinforced this contradiction.

    In the end will it work? Who knows, only time will tell but to be sure it is the law, confirmed by the SCOTUS, so we must abide.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    You could someday come to regret these laws. Be careful what you wish for.
    I doubt the Republic will crumble because of Obamacare.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    This decision can be used to stoke resentment. Resentment is an established basis for political organization and action.

    President Obama's numbers among white voters can be driven down by stoking resentment among white seniors especially.

    Yes there that could happen.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    When the ACA came out I was vehemently against the mandate as legitimized by the Commerce Clause. But I fully supported various portions (26yo, pre-existing, no limits, no cancellation, etc.) of the law as private insurance companies have the ability to price the various provisions into their premiums. Yes these would increase premiums but there is no free ride. Those being uncovered could have easily consumed into already existing public mechanisms (Medicare/Medicaid). After reading the SCOTUS questions and arguments it seemed they were seeing it favorably under the purview of a tax which I am not against. The Court now has voiced the opinion thusly. The persistent banter seemed to revolve around ‘forcing folks to purchase something’ and ‘it’s not a tax’. It seemed to me the President could have avoided much of this division by initially claiming it to be a tax but would have contradicted his campaign position but the court ultimately reinforced this contradiction.

    In the end will it work? Who knows, only time will tell but to be sure it is the law, confirmed by the SCOTUS, so we must abide.
    It is not 2014 yet, congress made this mess and can change it. ;-)
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Its political speech designed to motivate and help organization based on resentment. That's completely legal.
    Much of your" "speech" is not political, it has racial commentary and causes resentment against you, it doesn't motivate your brethren.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm confused. It seemed like you were saying you liked both rulings but didn't one of the rulings say that hte piece of garbage biker in a wheelchair with vietnam vet pins can still claim he lost his legs at hamburger hill?
    DAMN!!!!!!!!!! your right zyph I went back and re read it...I read it wrong the first time...unreal.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I doubt the Republic will crumble because of Obamacare.
    The problem with the ruling is that it sets the precedent that Congress can pass a law taxing both action and inaction in any realm.

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