• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

Status
Not open for further replies.
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]


Good answer to a different statement, it doesn't seem to work here though.
My statement was "I'm glad you have faith in the word of Insurence Companies".
You do see it makes you look like a clown....oh..... :lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo :peace

This from a guy who so secure he has to shout out what he posts.

When they announce it to the world, yes, I expect them to hold to what they said. You know their profits haven't sufferred from Obamacare. But you go on believing Obama with get you single payer. Are you denying he didn't bargain it away?
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

Boy did he.....Largest single tax increase in history.

The Foxies with their "in history"...

Everything Obama does is the biggest or worst "in history"...

The obstructionist GOP has set a record number of filibusters. That record will never be broken... in history.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

Health care costs are going up with or without Obamacare. The fact that Obamacare is the law will allow people to see direct causation between Obamacare and increased costs. This can be used as a tremendous wedge issue by riling white seniors.

Dumb white seniors, maybe. If they aren't dumb then they know how screwed they be if the Republican budget was passed.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

Do you have a cite for that?

Didn't think so.

Seeing as you answered your own question demonstrating that you don't really want to know.....I must ask, why are you even here? just to be your saviors mouthpiece?
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

I'll believe that when I see Obama's complete donors list from '08
You mean when you see liberals calling for full disclosure of Obama's donors.....and that has happened.

You still can't get past the fact that many cons are arguing for no disclosure in this current cycle.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

"Give" to no one and let adults be adults.

What's effed up is your insistence upon thinking of adults like they're helpless infants.

Do you expect a person with broken leg to just pull themselves up by their boot straps
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

Funny, mine have gone down.


Yeah, right....wait until Jan 2013. You will be singing a different tune unless something drastic happens.....
 
Last edited:
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

OK, you walk into the insurance office and explain that Obama will give you TAX CREDIT money NEXT YEAR if the insurance company will give them FREE insurance now? Just how is that going to work out?

You don't have to pay the whole premium at once. I believe the credit is parceled out over the course of the year, but I'd have to check.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

And now for a little political humor. From Mitt Romney's campaign web site:

"As president, Mitt will nominate judges in the mold of Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Scalia, Thomas, and Alito”

:rofl
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

Seeing as you answered your own question demonstrating that you don't really want to know.....I must ask, why are you even here? just to be your saviors mouthpiece?

Translation: no, I don't have a cite. I just pulled it out of my ass.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

Democrats now want peace and acquiesence on the issue of health care. But they won't ever have peace. Obama said Obamacare wouldn't raise taxes. Now he has broken his word. This struggle isn't going to end. It will go on and on and on. It will fester and fester and fester.

Got division? Just as the Dredd Scott decision didn't mend the slavery/free soil division, this case will not end the struggle between left and right over health care. Everything that goes wrong with health care from here on out will be laid at the feet of the left.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

Health care costs are going up with or without Obamacare.
Duh...we call that "inflation".
The fact that Obamacare is the law will allow people to see direct causation between Obamacare and increased costs.
That makes no sense, this is designed to help cost containment.
This can be used as a tremendous wedge issue by riling white seniors.
There you go again with the race baiting mixed with ageism.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]


I believe he's referring to Citizens United. :peace

I missed where conservative here were hailing the campaign finance decision.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

Seeing as you answered your own question demonstrating that you don't really want to know.....I must ask, why are you even here? just to be your saviors mouthpiece?

Bingo, you have figured him out. ;-)
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

OK, you walk into the insurance office and explain that Obama will give you TAX CREDIT money NEXT YEAR if the insurance company will give them FREE insurance now? Just how is that going to work out?


Yes, we all agree that the ACA needs to be better explained.

Before the election they should run a number of hour long programs on prime time networks. Showing how the ACA works and how people will benefit from it.

Allow fact-checkers to fairly comment on its accuracy as well as the inaccuracy of the fox news spin after the programs air.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

Do you expect a person with broken leg to just pull themselves up by their boot straps

I expect and adult with a broken leg to get it treated (if they wish) and to pay for the cost of treatment.
 
Do you expect a person with broken leg to just pull themselves up by their boot straps

Not literally, but there are ways to get help with that that do not require FedGov making our life decisions for us.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

You are right the HC bill begins to change that antiquated narrow view and replaces it with actual health care. That is what we are paying for HEALTH CARE, not some kind of lottery where we bet on what will go wrong with our health.
Your words reveal you. Is it just my right to private property that you refer to as an antiquated narrow view? Do you view other acts of theft and violence in the same expansive way?
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

And now for a little political humor. From Mitt Romney's campaign web site:

"As president, Mitt will nominate judges in the mold of Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Scalia, Thomas, and Alito”

:rofl

Seal Team Six needs to swing by Thomas and Scalia's pad.;)

Although, I kinda feel bad for Thomas, as he'll be sleeping on the couch for the next six months.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

And now for a little political humor. From Mitt Romney's campaign web site:

"As president, Mitt will nominate judges in the mold of Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Scalia, Thomas, and Alito”

:rofl

Don't be surprised if it turns out Roberts decision sabotages Obamas re-election.

Or it was calculated to avoid apathetic democrats being galvanized by an overturn.

I smells a rat, I tells ya. Dont trust Roberts as far as I could poop him.
 
Last edited:
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

The Foxies with their "in history"...

Everything Obama does is the biggest or worst "in history"...

The obstructionist GOP has set a record number of filibusters. That record will never be broken... in history.
I completely agree with the middle statement...
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

You had a miscarriage? How does a guy have a miscarriage?

He pinched off a loaf and it looked kind of funny.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

Yeah, right....wait until Jan 2013. You will be singing a different tune unless something drastic happens.....

If my taxes go up so poor people have a slightly better standards of living and coal/oil companies stop pumping co2 into the air... I can live with that.

Because I'm not selfish and ignorant.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

I just want to say how proud I am of Chief Justice Roberts for putting his political ideology aside and doing the right thing. This is the first time in years that I've felt like our government can actually accomplish something meaningful. :)

On the substance, it's pretty much a sweeping win for Obama. The court did offer conservatives a couple token olive branches which don't significantly impact the law itself: They ruled that forcing people to buy things is not permitted under the Interstate Commerce Clause (although they also said that this isn't what the law does), and they ruled that states have the right to turn down the Medicaid expansion without jeopardizing their existing funds.

At first I was a bit shocked by their Medicaid decision...I didn't think that would be controversial at all and expected it to be widely upheld. But after I thought about it I'm actually OK with it, because states would be turning down the deal of a century if they chose not to expand Medicaid. They're getting a 100% match from the federal government. Virtually all of the blue states and swing states will of course choose to do so. The red states may "opt out" of the expansion in the short term, while they're still fuming over this decision...but I suspect that they'll quietly get on board in a couple years when the furor dies down. So it sucks that people without health insurance living in Republican states may have to go without health insurance for a couple extra years, but in the grand scheme of things that's a price worth paying for this great Supreme Court decision.

All in all, a great day for the Supreme Court's credibility, and a great day for the United States of America. :)
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom