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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    People aren't being treated equally. Obamacare reduces the quality of care for most people who have good insurance coverage. Most of those people are white. Obamacare brings in millions of the working poor into Medicaid. Most of the working poor aren't white. White numbers are rapidly diminishing in America. Whites are an older and wealthier group than are non-whites.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    are seniors of color exempted?
    Most seniors are white because most people of color don't live as long as whites do.

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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I was almost in favor of it getting struck down so that the medicare for all approach could be taken.
    i would have vastly preferred medicare for all, and i hope that we head in that direction.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    I have a question. I have been extremely busy lately, and haven't had time to read up on this.

    Was it a 5-4 decision, with Kennedy being the swing vote?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    There are many different versions of America. As the economic pie shrinks relative to the rest of the world the different versions of America compete for slices of the pie. Some versions of America are hostile to other versions of America. The version of America represented by the Rev. Al Sharpton hates white America and wishes it ill. This is a huge day for African-America.

    Btw, what is it that unites Americans? I've often asked this question and never received a cogent answer. No one can articulate a response.
    Hated of discrimination and racial predjudice is one uniter of Americans. Virtually all of us or our ancestors are not from here.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    So this is all about race huh? poor baby. Too bad you are full of shyte:

    In 2002, about 71 percent of the working poor were white.
    However, the proportions classified as working poor for
    blacks (10.5 percent) and Hispanics or Latinos (10.4 percent)
    continued to be about twice those of whites (4.5 percent)
    and Asians (4.6 percent).
    Please don't attack me personally. I don't believe your numbers. Where is your link?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    People forget that since Congressional Republicans refused to impose any new taxes on anyone regardless of the reason, what we got in the PPACA was the best compromise our dysfunctional Congress could get. Still, I'll try to put this ruling into perspective.

    Those who compared the individual mandate to auto insuance were right. Why? Because what it comes down to is "jurisdiction" and "individual responsibility". Let's see if folks can follow the logic...

    You don't need auto insurance unless you buy a vehicle. You register that vehicle within the state where you reside. Your state mandates that you should have auto insurance otherwise, you face paying a fine if you get caught driving without it. Well, the exact same thing will now happen with health insurance. Why was Congress able to do this?

    1) The Supreme Court had long ruled that insurance was part of interstate commerce and Congress could regulate certain parts of the insurance market. (1944, SEIA -vs- US)

    2) Since Congress has jurisdiction over interstate commerce and has the enumerated power to levy a tax, it determined that the best way to ensure all U.S. citizens received heath care was to cast a wide net and provide as many options as possible for people to get health insuracne on as many levels as possible - private markets thru employers, senior citizens via Medicare, poor people via Medicaid, veterans via the VA, active duty service personnel via Tri-Care. The states also have a stake in the health insurance markets by virtue of implementing the health insurance exchanges. Moreover, they can even start high-risk pools to cover those individuals who have chronic or serious illnesses (i.e., pre-existing conditions).

    3) There are opt-out provisions within the PPACA for individuals, businesses, organizations and even the states. All they'd need to do is apply for waivers or in the case of the states to simply opt-out of the federal rules and apply their own thus implementing their own health care system. To my knowledge, despite 26 states filing suit against the PPACA only one state has even tried to submit a waiver - Washington.

    It's about legal jurisdiction, not forcing someone to buy something they neither want or need. And it's about finding a practical solution to our nation's health care problem using the process of governance though our federal legislative system to put forward the best methodolgies to solve the health care problem. You may not like it, but Congress acted in a manner which it saw fit under the parisan circumstances. The irony here is many of the provisions of the PPACA including the individual mandate were Republican ideas.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I have a question. I have been extremely busy lately, and haven't had time to read up on this.

    Was it a 5-4 decision, with Kennedy being the swing vote?
    No, and you better sit down...it was Roberts!
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Do you have any sense of humor at all? Either it's going over your head or I am a piss-poor comedian. Probably a combination of both.
    Please use emoticons. It helps convey your intent.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I have a question. I have been extremely busy lately, and haven't had time to read up on this.

    Was it a 5-4 decision, with Kennedy being the swing vote?
    Nope, Kennedy was with those that dissented. Roberts was the swing.

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