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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I was almost in favor of it getting struck down so that the medicare for all approach could be taken.

    Well, if people step up to the plate and toss the TeaBrain obstructionists out of congress, we may move in that direction.

    America may yet deliver on the promise of Judeo-Christian love and compassion.... if the "Christian" conservative get out of the way.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo
    Huge victory for African America at the expense of White America.


    What a bitter racist.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Health care providers will pass the cut along to white seniors. This is a disaster for them. Their healthcare is being transferred to the beneficiaries of Obamacare.
    are seniors of color exempted?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Yeah, treating everyone equally. That is such a bad idea.

    You think he is pandering to minorities, right?
    People aren't being treated equally. Obamacare reduces the quality of care for most people who have good insurance coverage. Most of those people are white. Obamacare brings in millions of the working poor into Medicaid. Most of the working poor aren't white. White numbers are rapidly diminishing in America. Whites are an older and wealthier group than are non-whites.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    "I absolutely reject that notion"
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    Referring to Obamacare as a tax. Really, not a tax? Then why did your lawyers argue that it is to the SCOTUS?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    The entire election just became out the Obamacare tax on the middle class and border control. It majorly benefits the GOP. Romney's campaign message is perhaps the clearest in American history.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    People aren't being treated equally. Obamacare reduces the quality of care for most people who have good insurance coverage. Most of those people are white. Obamacare brings in millions of the working poor into Medicaid. Most of the working poor aren't white. White numbers are rapidly diminishing in America. Whites are an older and wealthier group than are non-whites.
    So this is all about race huh? poor baby. Too bad you are full of shyte:

    In 2002, about 71 percent of the working poor were white.
    However, the proportions classified as working poor for
    blacks (10.5 percent) and Hispanics or Latinos (10.4 percent)
    continued to be about twice those of whites (4.5 percent)
    and Asians (4.6 percent).
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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    on page 43 of the ruling, the Court specifies the difference in the Government's powers of 'punishment' between the Commerce Clause (or the necessary & Proper Clause) and taxation.

    Under the first two, which they deemed the individual mandate does NOT fall under, the court can push its full weight, i.e. fines, imprisonment, deportation, etc.

    Under the ability to tax: They only have the power to tax.

    But what this law effectively does is give us three choices: 1) Buy Health Insurance 2) Pay a fine or 3) go to jail. Which cannot be a punishment for not buying the individual mandate.

    My initial argument when I vetted my own idea in my head was: they imprisonment is for not paying the fine. Not for not buying insurance. But just as the wording of the law calling the 'tax' a 'penalty' is just semantics, I claim this is just semantics. You are going to jail because you're not paying a fine... because you're not buying health insurance. Which they cannot force you to do! They can only encourage you via a tax.

    I also understand that this is a slippery slope to an argument that no taxation can then be enforced. My response: Exactly.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I liked the idea of the individual mandate, but I like the notion that the Constitution actually meant something more. Seriously, what power can the fed govt no exercise after this? I know you couldn't give a sh!t, but a lot of us can't help but to.

    I just don't embrace far-right paranoia and lies.


    Wait, wait... Mitty is on TV lying through his teeth, "job killer"...blah, blah, blah...

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