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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    scrotus (not a typo) once again rules with corporations. everyone must buy insurance. what a tremendous boon for corporate America.
    I was almost in favor of it getting struck down so that the medicare for all approach could be taken.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Edit: I don't understand how we're getting two opposite breaking news items. Which is accurate?
    FOX News, CNN & MSNBC jumped the gun and all of them reported it wrong initially. All of them.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    Huge victory for African America at the expense of White America.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You are spouting false GOP talking points again.
    There are no cuts in Medicare benefits from the HC law and that 500 billion comes from PROVIDERS not beneficiaries. The HC bill actually STRENGTHENS Medicare, perhaps that is what you don't like.



    Fact Checking the GOP debate: $500 billion in cuts to Medicare? - The Washington Post
    So, a doctor, now getting $400 for a given illness, will give the same treatment, if he then gets only $200 for that same illness?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Then we have nothing more to discuss, do we? Welcome to the Ignore List.
    Funny, you just responded to another post after this one.

    No, seriously....if you are going to do it...do it. Walk the walk.

    Otherwise...you are just talk.
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    "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
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    I am a medical provider. Try having the pressure of someones life in your hands.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    First off, it's not an opinion. I personally work with over 400 companies, that range in size from 3 employees to 1000. This law mandates that a business with more than 50 employees MUST provide health insurance.

    Problem is, most 50 man companies cannot afford health insurance for their employees. THey simply dont have the money to fund such a program. Now, because this mandate was upheld, that company faces some major decisions. 1. Provide health insurance. 2. Go out of business 3. Lay off employees to fall below the 50 employee threshhold. 4. Break up company into 2 seperate companies.

    These are all solutions that come from the actual business owners. It's not that they don't "want" to offer benefits, they simply cannot afford it. So, this hurts their growth potential, hiring capabilities, or any possibility of increasing wages. They simply can't do it all. They cant afford to invest where they want, increase wages for existing employees, grow and hire new employees, and provide health insurance for everyone all at the same time. They cant afford to do it all.

    It's a job killer, and at a time when our economy needs businesses to grow and expand, this mandate stifles any chance of that in literally millions of companies.

    Do the math. In a company with 60 employees. The average insurance premium is approximately $500 per person, per month. That comes out to an additional $360,000 per year that that company must now pay in insurance premiums. That is a tremendous burden on a company with only 60 employees. That's $360,000 that could go to hiring new people, expanding their company, increasing wages, etc. But it's now mandated that they spend that $360,000 on health insurance. Go talk to any company with 60 employees. Maybe 5% of them end their fiscal year with $360,000 just left over.

    This isn't some kind of opinion. This is reality. I work with these companies. Owners are of a mixed bag politically. Some liberals, some not. But they all know the reality. They simply don't have that $360,000 left over each year to pay insurance premiums. It's a simple matter of math, not politics.

    So, what are their solutions???? Where is their freedom to run a successful business now?
    First of all, the employers contribution is fully deductible. Second, if an employer opts NOT to provide insurance and at least one employee would qualify for government subsidies, then the employer has to pay a fine of $2,000 for each employee, minus 30. So if the employer has 60 employees and the penalty applies, the employers maximum exposure is $60,000 -- not $360,000.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    My understanding is that it was redefined as a tax, but it is completely upheld. Medicaid expansion is limited, not sure in which ways.

    CNN and MSNBC got it wrong.
    And FOX... they are all so desperate to be the breaking news folk that when one jumped the gun and got it wrong they all jumped off the bridge together. Idiot. Shows how far "journalism" has fallen.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    There is only one United States of America.
    In that one USA 47% pay no FIT. Wait until that becomes 52%. Hmm...
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yep! There it is alright.

    I am talking about what is not good for the Country as a whole, and you counter with how greedy individuals who want others to foot the bill for them would think about it.
    Figures.
    You're not talking about the greedy individuals who are too cheap to buy health insurance and instead sponge off everyone else?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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