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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    There are no cuts in Medicare benefits from the HC law and that 500 billion comes from PROVIDERS not beneficiaries.
    You are spouting false GOP talking points again.



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    Health care providers will pass the cut along to white seniors. This is a disaster for them. Their healthcare is being transferred to the beneficiaries of Obamacare.

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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yep ... unless you're an American who couldn't afford health insurance, or had a preexisting condition, or got cancelled out because they got sick, or exceeded a lifetime limit, or wanted to stay on her parents' policy longer, or wanted more choice than what her employer offered, or worked for herself....
    Yep! There it is alright.

    I am talking about what is not good for the Country as a whole, and you counter with how greedy individuals who want others to foot the bill for them would think about it.
    Figures.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Yeah you just better hope you don't, I don't know, get into a car accident, collapse, anything that meant you couldn't "Just get insurance" before you got to the hospital.

    Have fun paying out of pocket.
    That is a fair point and I wonder just how that would work. Would you be able to get instant insurance at the time of an accident? I bet nobody knows and this is just another page to be added to the pickup load of pages already in this bill.

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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by Muskrat View Post
    Please copy and paste this message or a similar one to your FEDERAL representatives: Dear --insert representatives name here-- , Now that the Supreme Court has upheld President Obama's unfunded mandate forcing individuals to purchase a product it is time to get rid of those justices as well as to begin impeachment proceedings against Mr. Obama. Nowhere in our Constitution is there authority for the Federal Government to force citizens to purchase a product or service. Our Constitution provides a list of the powers of the Congress in Article One, Section Eight to wit: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States" The "general Welfare" clause was not and does not indicate that individual persons should be a part of a forced purchase of any kind. According to today's news, the mandate has been upheld as a tax and as such that tax does not provide for common defense, pay debts, nor promote the general welfare of the nation. Mr. Obama has overstepped his authority and defied the Congress many times with executive orders and has, through possibly unethical contacts and back-room deals, forced this unwarranted and intrusive "affordable" health care law against the will of the people. The Congress is supposed to be representative of its constituents, NOT of the insurance companies or other corporations. I urge you to create legislation to repeal this unfunded mandate and to prevent any such law from ever being introduced in the future. Thank you,
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Please don't talk about me personally. Our discussion won't be advanced by personalizing it.

    This decision can be used for political advantage with whites in exactly the same way that the president's recent decision on DREAMERS was used with regard to Latinos. White people will generally find the quality of their health care decreasing. White seniors will be told that the president took $500 billion from their Medicare and gave it instead to the beneficiaries of Obamacare.

    Grievances will be whipped up and exploited just like the grievances of African Americans are exploited by Jesse Jackson and his ilk.
    Yeah, treating everyone equally. That is such a bad idea.

    You think he is pandering to minorities, right?
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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    First off, it's not an opinion. I personally work with over 400 companies, that range in size from 3 employees to 1000. This law mandates that a business with more than 50 employees MUST provide health insurance.

    Problem is, most 50 man companies cannot afford health insurance for their employees. THey simply dont have the money to fund such a program. Now, because this mandate was upheld, that company faces some major decisions. 1. Provide health insurance. 2. Go out of business 3. Lay off employees to fall below the 50 employee threshhold. 4. Break up company into 2 seperate companies.

    These are all solutions that come from the actual business owners. It's not that they don't "want" to offer benefits, they simply cannot afford it. So, this hurts their growth potential, hiring capabilities, or any possibility of increasing wages. They simply can't do it all. They cant afford to invest where they want, increase wages for existing employees, grow and hire new employees, and provide health insurance for everyone all at the same time. They cant afford to do it all.

    It's a job killer, and at a time when our economy needs businesses to grow and expand, this mandate stifles any chance of that in literally millions of companies.

    Do the math. In a company with 60 employees. The average insurance premium is approximately $500 per person, per month. That comes out to an additional $360,000 per year that that company must now pay in insurance premiums. That is a tremendous burden on a company with only 60 employees. That's $360,000 that could go to hiring new people, expanding their company, increasing wages, etc. But it's now mandated that they spend that $360,000 on health insurance. Go talk to any company with 60 employees. Maybe 5% of them end their fiscal year with $360,000 just left over.

    This isn't some kind of opinion. This is reality. I work with these companies. Owners are of a mixed bag politically. Some liberals, some not. But they all know the reality. They simply don't have that $360,000 left over each year to pay insurance premiums. It's a simple matter of math, not politics.

    So, what are their solutions???? Where is their freedom to run a successful business now?
    Employer health insurance is not mandated to be free to the employee. If a company has 50 full-time employees, there is no earthly reason why they cannot offer health insurance options to their employees. This mandate hurts the employees, not the employers. The employees will have to pony up and have health insurance that, in one way or another, comes out of their own pockets...whether in terms of lower wages or higher deductions.

    If hospitals didn't have to treat people who didn't have health insurance for nothing, we wouldn't need these regulations. But they do. Now: Penalize people who go to the emergency room for a sore throat, and we'll really have something.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Exactly.

    The main problem with the Affordable Care Act is one of information and understanding.

    People who are 'educated' by Fox News, Glenn Becky, and the like, don't have a clue what is in the ACA.
    I liked the idea of the individual mandate, but I like the notion that the Constitution actually meant something more. Seriously, what power can the fed govt no exercise after this? I know you couldn't give a sh!t, but a lot of us can't help but to.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep. It is a mess. Prehaps the 1040 will have an ObamaCare check box, on page 12, that IF NOT CHECKED adds $400 to your tax owed. How IRS will know who is/is not insured is beyond me. If you were insured, for PART of the year, does that count as insured or uninsured?
    It will likely work the same as the MA system.... We get an insurance statement in the mail along with our W-2's in February. In lists which months we had approved coverage for. This is included with the MA tax return and the penalty is pro-rated for any months we didn't have insurance.

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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Stocks were down before the ruling. They've been rising since the initial reaction. Dow is down only 50 points from where it was before the announcement.
    Thanks for confirming that Obama economic policies suck. Now watch the market fall more.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Your math problem is wrong. For anyone who wants to get decent health insurance through MassHealth the cost is more than $118 a month. Who in their right mind wouldn't pay the $900 fine ($75 a month) and get the FREE emergency care that is still required by Federal Law instead of paying the minimum $118 a month, plus additional costs, and getting essentially the same level of service?
    ER's don't cover non-ER care, you still refuse to add that care in your calculation. You do realize that you are advocating for the thing you are railing against, personal responsibility.
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