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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    I'd rather be dead than a citizen of this country right now.
    You are all talk.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by Sox04 View Post
    This is a great day for the United States

    In other news, Clarence Thomas is said to be moving into a hotel for the time being.



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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I just learned that in 2014 if I don't buy insurance I have to pay a $90.00 fine BUT if I get sick insurance companies have to let me sign up for full coverage. WOW, works for ME! What a great deal, I LOVE IT! I am now for obamacare, God bless Obama and God help America.
    Yeah you just better hope you don't, I don't know, get into a car accident, collapse, anything that meant you couldn't "Just get insurance" before you got to the hospital.

    Have fun paying out of pocket.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You skipped the math problem......I'll wait.
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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Not on Wall Street or major world markets.

    Perhaps you should try investing there.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Or you can grow up and deal with it ... like I said.
    Please don't talk about me personally. Our discussion won't be advanced by personalizing it.

    This decision can be used for political advantage with whites in exactly the same way that the president's recent decision on DREAMERS was used with regard to Latinos. White people will generally find the quality of their health care decreasing. White seniors will be told that the president took $500 billion from their Medicare and gave it instead to the beneficiaries of Obamacare.

    Grievances will be whipped up and exploited just like the grievances of African Americans are exploited by Jesse Jackson and his ilk.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You are all talk.
    Then we have nothing more to discuss, do we? Welcome to the Ignore List.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    How can you people not get the difference between these two things? If I don't get a deduction I still don't have to pay anything unless I was already obligated to do so. The distinction is huge and the ramifications are huge because you can't make a deduction a deterrent, only a motivator. A motivator is limited by what you're willing to give to motivate people. A deterrent (IE, the tax) is only limited by the willingness of people to comply. If you want people to buy electric cars but someone REALLY doesn't want one, what do you think is more devastating to them? Making it so people who don't buy it DON'T receive $10,000 or requiring people to PAY $10,000 out of their pockets for not purchasing it?

    Seriously, no distinction seen there AT ALL? Eh Roberts? No? Maybe I'm just crazy but that seems like a huge distinction to me.
    Yep. It is a mess. Prehaps the 1040 will have an ObamaCare check box, on page 12, that IF NOT CHECKED adds $400 to your tax owed. How IRS will know who is/is not insured is beyond me. If you were insured, for PART of the year, does that count as insured or uninsured?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Most of the elderly are white because they were born at a time when America was a white country. Their Medicare benefits are being cut by $500 billion and the money is being transferred to the beneficiaries of Obamacare.
    You are spouting false GOP talking points again.
    There are no cuts in Medicare benefits from the HC law and that 500 billion comes from PROVIDERS not beneficiaries. The HC bill actually STRENGTHENS Medicare, perhaps that is what you don't like.

    The savings actually are wrung from health-care providers, not Medicare beneficiaries. These spending reductions presumably would be a good thing, since virtually everyone agrees that Medicare spending is out of control. In the House Republican budget, lawmakers repealed the Obama health care law but retained all but $10 billion of the nearly $500 billion in Medicare savings, suggesting the actual policies enacted to achieve these spending reductions were not that objectionable to GOP lawmakers.

    The Obama health care law also raised Medicare payroll taxes by $113 billion over 10 years, further strengthening the program’s financial condition, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Since about half of the $500 billion stems from reduced outlays for Medicare hospitalization expenses, the payroll taxes and those reductions would add about $358 billion to Medicare trust fund balances.
    Fact Checking the GOP debate: $500 billion in cuts to Medicare? - The Washington Post
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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Actually, the SCOTUS has just decided that mr. Obama did not overstep his authority. And it is very easy to argue that the affordable healthcare is actually for the general welfare of the country IMHO. All of the above just sounds like sour grapes of bad loosers.
    Spoken like a true outsider who won't have to pay for it.
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