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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

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    Stocks were down before the ruling. They've been rising since the initial reaction. Dow is down only 50 points from where it was before the announcement.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I carry and always have carried insurance. Your anecdotal example aside, there are a whole lot of people today that DONT carry insurance...many by choice, many because they feel they cant afford it (I disagree with most of them BTW...get rid of your cell phone, cable, video games, budget appropriately, and you likely CAN afford insurance. And SHOULD). Regardless...they are now MANDATED to do so.

    I'm not all that upset about this, primarily because I am a realist. I saw this coming a long time ago. Reality is, this is just a beginning. Id bet good money that by 2016 we will see universal healthcare implemented, as well as the elimination of medicare, medicaid, and the beginning of the shut-down of veterans administration hospitals, military hospitals, etc. Ive said from the beginning that it isnt about health care reform, its about where the reform is. People are gleeful about trusting the federal government...an entity that cant so much as pass a budget or agree on simple deficit reductions and that is 16 trillion in debt and climbing...with the management of 'healthcare'. Brilliant.
    Why would the veterans administration hospitals and military hospitals be shut down over this? Just curious.
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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Let's see how it goes. If it fails, stick it to them.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Not lesser human beings, per se. Just empty headed assholes, mostly.

    But my opinion of liberals isn't much different. I'm referring to the outer fringes of each ideology, of course. The people in the moderate middle, both liberals and conservatives, appear to have MUCH grey matter in their skulls. They would be much harder to clean up after. But we don't see their head's exploding so no worries mate.
    Your post seems contradictory. All people are fine. That doesn't change because of their ideology.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    If they opt out of the Medicaid expansion they wil be refusing the additional money too. When is the last time you saw States turn down Fed money?

    Exactly.

    The main problem with the Affordable Care Act is one of information and understanding.

    People who are 'educated' by Fox News, Glenn Becky, and the like, don't have a clue what is in the ACA.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yep. Social Darwinism. Very simple and incredibly effective.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Roberts redeems himself as a true conservative (not a TeaBrain) and protector of the integrity of the court.
    Well damn, poor obama won't be able to run against the "extreme right wing" supreme court.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    They shoot tiggers in Iran.
    I'd rather be dead than a citizen of this country right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It always about the money with Conservatives. Why are you all so CHEAP?
    iguana, I've got probably a $70 grocery bill coming up this afternoon, you want to pay that for me? How about my $875 rent check I have to write tomorrow? The $250 for my eye doctor appointment on July 6th?

    You laugh, but that's exactly how many of us see this and the vast majority of the social spending this nation does. It's handouts. Nothing more. Handouts to people who made their own beds and now don't want to lay in them. Instead they want to reach into MY pocket for a night at the Comfort Inn (only because we won't pay for the Ritz Carlton - YET).

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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    IN your opinion what negative effect will it have on small bus-sines?
    First off, it's not an opinion. I personally work with over 400 companies, that range in size from 3 employees to 1000. This law mandates that a business with more than 50 employees MUST provide health insurance.

    Problem is, most 50 man companies cannot afford health insurance for their employees. THey simply dont have the money to fund such a program. Now, because this mandate was upheld, that company faces some major decisions. 1. Provide health insurance. 2. Go out of business 3. Lay off employees to fall below the 50 employee threshhold. 4. Break up company into 2 seperate companies.

    These are all solutions that come from the actual business owners. It's not that they don't "want" to offer benefits, they simply cannot afford it. So, this hurts their growth potential, hiring capabilities, or any possibility of increasing wages. They simply can't do it all. They cant afford to invest where they want, increase wages for existing employees, grow and hire new employees, and provide health insurance for everyone all at the same time. They cant afford to do it all.

    It's a job killer, and at a time when our economy needs businesses to grow and expand, this mandate stifles any chance of that in literally millions of companies.

    Do the math. In a company with 60 employees. The average insurance premium is approximately $500 per person, per month. That comes out to an additional $360,000 per year that that company must now pay in insurance premiums. That is a tremendous burden on a company with only 60 employees. That's $360,000 that could go to hiring new people, expanding their company, increasing wages, etc. But it's now mandated that they spend that $360,000 on health insurance. Go talk to any company with 60 employees. Maybe 5% of them end their fiscal year with $360,000 just left over.

    This isn't some kind of opinion. This is reality. I work with these companies. Owners are of a mixed bag politically. Some liberals, some not. But they all know the reality. They simply don't have that $360,000 left over each year to pay insurance premiums. It's a simple matter of math, not politics.

    So, what are their solutions???? Where is their freedom to run a successful business now?

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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    There is no "there, there" about it.
    It is a horrible day for the Country.
    Yep ... unless you're an American who couldn't afford health insurance, or had a preexisting condition, or got cancelled out because they got sick, or exceeded a lifetime limit, or wanted to stay on her parents' policy longer, or wanted more choice than what her employer offered, or worked for herself....
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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