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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I guess I can live with it. My plan is to buy health insurance based on these two conditions:

    1) If I am not sick/injured then pay the ($400?) IRS fine. That is only $34/month or a bit over $1/day.

    2) If I am sick/injured then buy insurance, paying premiums ONLY while getting treatment and then cancel the policy ASAP.
    And essentially, what that does is drive private insurers out of business, which was the goal from the beginning.

    "Affordable Care Act" you call it eh? Hmmmm.....does no one pay attention? Health insurance premiums have risen on average in the amount of 18% nationally since the passage of Obamacare. 5 percentage points higher than it was increasing before ObamaCare.

    Go talk to someone in the industry. This is driving prices higher, faster, not the other way around. Gone are the days of $500 deductibles. Why? Because no one can afford the premiums with such a low deductible.

    Yes indeed, this is the beginning of the end for private insurance companies. Precisely what liberals are trying to do.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Ok, but as I said this is a huge day for African America at the expense of the white middle class. Health care for the African American underclass/working poor will now benefit. But most white middle class folks with existing healthcare will find the quality of their healthcare deteriorating.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There are existing tax rebates for solar installations. You are already paying because you don't have one.
    Great argument. Because we have SOME stupid tax laws we need some more. ;-)
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Not really. Not much inside those heads actually.

    A paper towel does the trick. LOL!
    You think conservatives are lesser human beings than liberals?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    OK - so I've spend some time reading http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...11-393c3a2.pdf pg 16-30 explains why the commerce clause and the necessary & proper clause fail to pass the individual mandate

    pg 31-44 explain why the individual mandate is upheld due to congress' power to tax.

    Near the end of the latter section, they clearly explain the difference in these powers. If the individual mandate fell within the commerce clause or the necessary & proper clause, Congress would have the ability to not only fine, but imprison, etc. Under the power to tax, congress only has the power to tax. But if those taxes go unpaid... the government then has the power to what? imprison you.

    So, you effectively have three options: 1) buy health insurance 2) Pay a fine/tax or 3) go to prison. If you do not have money to pay the fine, but don't make little enough to get the grant, your options are: Buy health insurance or go to prison. This is a power the the government DOES NOT HAVE under the taxation clause and the taxation clause is the only place in the constitution in which Congress has the power to enforce this law.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Great argument. Because we have SOME stupid tax laws we need some more. ;-)
    Stupid =/= unconstitutional.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    You think conservatives are lesser human beings than liberals?
    Not at all. But they seem to embody the herd mentality.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    No you missed it....those not buying $118/month coverage will be paying the total amount of med care they receive....on top of the penalty. You left off the cost of care for those who do not purchase HI. That is MUCH higher without HI.
    I was talking about the current Massachusetts system.

    Personally, once my company stops paying for my insurance, I won't have any. I simply won't pay for it under this system. It's that simple.

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