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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well Obama, good luck running in November on having broken your pledge not to raise taxes on Americans making less than $250K.
    Oh no's...he lost the shut-in/not buying HI vote....!

    conservatives gonna be lining up behind Romney now.
    LOL...oh no's....he lost the con vote!

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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by Muskrat View Post
    Please copy and paste this message or a similar one to your FEDERAL representatives: Dear --insert representatives name here-- , Now that the Supreme Court has upheld President Obama's unfunded mandate forcing individuals to purchase a product it is time to get rid of those justices as well as to begin impeachment proceedings against Mr. Obama. Nowhere in our Constitution is there authority for the Federal Government to force citizens to purchase a product or service. Our Constitution provides a list of the powers of the Congress in Article One, Section Eight to wit: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States" The "general Welfare" clause was not and does not indicate that individual persons should be a part of a forced purchase of any kind. According to today's news, the mandate has been upheld as a tax and as such that tax does not provide for common defense, pay debts, nor promote the general welfare of the nation. Mr. Obama has overstepped his authority and defied the Congress many times with executive orders and has, through possibly unethical contacts and back-room deals, forced this unwarranted and intrusive "affordable" health care law against the will of the people. The Congress is supposed to be representative of its constituents, NOT of the insurance companies or other corporations. I urge you to create legislation to repeal this unfunded mandate and to prevent any such law from ever being introduced in the future. Thank you,
    Actually, the SCOTUS has just decided that mr. Obama did not overstep his authority. And it is very easy to argue that the affordable healthcare is actually for the general welfare of the country IMHO. All of the above just sounds like sour grapes of bad loosers.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, it's the same thing. If you don't own a home, for example, then you are paying for the mortgage interest deduction that homeowners get, because if they weren't getting that deduction your taxes would be lower (or you would get more services). So the mortgage interest deduction is a MANDATE to buy a house in exactly the same way that this is a mandate to buy insurance.
    WRONG. ObamaCare is NOT a tax deduction for those paying for medical care insurance, as MOST now get it as an employer provided tax free benefit (now costing all taxpayers that do NOT get that "free" benefit additional tax money). It is to become an added tax, or penalty, ONLY for those that did not "play ObamaCare by the rules" and did NOT have the fortune to work for an employer providing this FREE benefit.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    It looks like states may be able to opt out of this without the feds being able to wit hold Medicaid funds from them, this little sub opinion may in actuality be the biggest opinion that makes obama care an impotent threat.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Stewart View Post
    and that's not judicial activism?

    I know it's a dissenting opinion but are they normally that scathing?
    Gee, I don't know, is it judicial activism to point out that the individual mandate is not a tax in the bill?

    Also, how the **** can it be judicial activism if it isn't actually applied?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    *LOL* I think it’s just great .. . Now it’s a tax … and a tax on who?? Certainly not the rich … they can afford any policy they want. Who it’s going to effect most are the poor that can’t afford insurance to begin with . So it’s a new tax on the very people that can least afford it … So now liberals can be rightfully accused of raising the taxes on the poor .
    The poor will get help in order to afford it. Regardless, if you're so concerned that the poor can't afford insurance, why on earth aren't you concerned that they can't afford to not have health care insurance?
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What is to stop congress from saying, unless you buy a little electric cart and a solar/wind battery charger, that you must pay a $1000 tax? What if the current $400 ObamaCare tax is rasied to $4000?
    There are existing tax rebates for solar installations. You are already paying because you don't have one.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Is that published yet?

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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    The heavily abused "general welfare" clause is related to the welfare of the nation and not the individual.
    Our Constitution provides a list of the powers of the Congress in Article One, Section Eight to wit:
    "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States"
    The "general Welfare" clause did not and does not indicate that individual persons should be a part of a forced purchase of any kind. According to today's news, the mandate has been upheld as a tax and as such that tax does not provide for common defense, pay debts, nor promote the general welfare of the nation.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    not really, GOP heads are like baloons, full of mostly air and maybe a little spittle....
    Funny that we basically wrote the same thing at the same time. You must of went to Smiley High School.

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