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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    I want to read Scalia's dissent. No wonder he was pissed off earlier.
    Is that published yet?

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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Well, liberals got their shady wish.

    I just hope America remembers how liberals had to bribe Ben Nelson with the Cornhusker Kickback to even get this bill passed in the first place.

    And it's amazing to me that people don't consider the impact this has on small businesses that have 50-200 employees. Most of which cannot afford health insurance for their employees. What are they going to do? They can't afford health insurance, but the mandate requires that all businesses with 50 or more employees offer health insurance for their employees. I suppose jobs aren't the number one concern after all....

    But at least we finally know one thing: Health insurance isn't a right, but a "tax".

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Does this officially make it a tax or does congress have to vote on it first?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    *LOL* I think it’s just great .. . Now it’s a tax … and a tax on who?? Certainly not the rich … they can afford any policy they want. Who it’s going to effect most are the poor that can’t afford insurance to begin with . So it’s a new tax on the very people that can least afford it … So now liberals can be rightfully accused of raising the taxes on the poor .

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by NameGoesHere View Post
    Does this officially make it a tax or does congress have to vote on it first?
    I've heard that it makes it a tax, doesn't need to be voted on. I heard that on a local radio station though and am not sure exactly.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    You bring me great enjoyment. I am absolutely loving this.

    I understand totally, I really do. I was in your position after the Brown and Walker elections and after Citizens United. I don't want to deprive you of any joy, so I'll say that I too am pissed off at this decision, but I shouldn't be surprised by it. It's just sad, to me, to see that the Constitution doesn't mean a Goddamn thing anymore and this decision signals the death knell for the idea that there are limits on federal power. I get why some people celebrate that. I just can't.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You are forgetting.....the amount they pay in addition for medical care they use.
    Exactly. Which makes it even worse. Paying a couple thousand dollars in premiums and then the co-pays, etc.... compared to paying a $900 fine (which most don't even pay, it simply reduces the amount of a refund they get back) and having no co-pays, etc....

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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    Well, liberals got their shady wish.

    I just hope America remembers how liberals had to bribe Ben Nelson with the Cornhusker Kickback to even get this bill passed in the first place.

    And it's amazing to me that people don't consider the impact this has on small businesses that have 50-200 employees. Most of which cannot afford health insurance for their employees. What are they going to do? They can't afford health insurance, but the mandate requires that all businesses with 50 or more employees offer health insurance for their employees. I suppose jobs aren't the number one concern after all....

    But at least we finally know one thing: Health insurance isn't a right, but a "tax".
    IN your opinion what negative effect will it have on small bus-sines?
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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    scrotus (not a typo) once again rules with corporations. everyone must buy insurance. what a tremendous boon for corporate America.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    There's no fun in that.
    Ok, but as I said this is a huge day for African America at the expense of the white middle class. Health care for the African American underclass/working poor will now benefit. But most white middle class folks with existing healthcare will find the quality of their healthcare deteriorating.

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