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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    I heard the GOP heads exploding all the way over here in Europe... must be a mess ...
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Ah... fundamentalist....got it.
    Yep. Conservative, Traditionalist, Moralist, and Fundie. That's me.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and shame on the union if it allows that to result. Didn't you tell us you were a union official?
    I'm a department Steward. Trust me, we aren't going to take such a thing lying down, but it could easily come to a point where either/both sides walk away from the table over the issue. In fact the folks at the Pilgrim Nuclear Power Station in Plymouth, MA are currently locked out of the facility by Entergy and one of the main issues in that disagreement is health care costs.

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    It's funny because he is insinuating that Americw is either a dictatorship, theocracy, or totalitarian state!
    No. I'm in fact suggesting that it SHOULD be, but that rather this nation has now become just a shadow of the Socialist States of Europe known as the EU.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The good news is the supremes found that doing this under the commerce clause was unconstitutional. That would have given the government virtually unlimited power.
    What is to stop congress from saying, unless you buy a little electric cart and a solar/wind battery charger, that you must pay a $1000 tax? What if the current $400 ObamaCare tax is rasied to $4000?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    Don't blame SCOTUS - the conservative justices who may disagree with the fairness of the law itself did a very honorable thing by doing exactly what their job says they should do - uphold the constitution.
    Um... saying it does doesn't automatic prove it actually does, demonstrating it does accomplishes that.

    And if it can be demonstrated - and only then, of course - the S.C acted in ignorance to the law, or out ofbias, or anything like that, then they are surely to blame and nobody else.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, it's the same thing. If you don't own a home, for example, then you are paying for the mortgage interest deduction that homeowners get, because if they weren't getting that deduction your taxes would be lower (or you would get more services). So the mortgage interest deduction is a MANDATE to buy a house in exactly the same way that this is a mandate to buy insurance.
    even if your mortgage is paid off, there is a nice property tax deduction....
    (and I think Canada doesn't even give a mortgage deduction)..
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Wow, self deportation in motion...... Come on, this is a bit of hyperbole....
    Not at all. There is obviously nothing left here for me Philosophically. This nation (and its citizens) are dead to me. That they would allow this to happen is beyond disgusting so far as I'm concerned, and the fact that the SCOTUS building hasn't been burned to the ground in the last hour just makes it even worse in my mind.

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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Please copy and paste this message or a similar one to your FEDERAL representatives: Dear --insert representatives name here-- , Now that the Supreme Court has upheld President Obama's unfunded mandate forcing individuals to purchase a product it is time to get rid of those justices as well as to begin impeachment proceedings against Mr. Obama. Nowhere in our Constitution is there authority for the Federal Government to force citizens to purchase a product or service. Our Constitution provides a list of the powers of the Congress in Article One, Section Eight to wit: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States" The "general Welfare" clause was not and does not indicate that individual persons should be a part of a forced purchase of any kind. According to today's news, the mandate has been upheld as a tax and as such that tax does not provide for common defense, pay debts, nor promote the general welfare of the nation. Mr. Obama has overstepped his authority and defied the Congress many times with executive orders and has, through possibly unethical contacts and back-room deals, forced this unwarranted and intrusive "affordable" health care law against the will of the people. The Congress is supposed to be representative of its constituents, NOT of the insurance companies or other corporations. I urge you to create legislation to repeal this unfunded mandate and to prevent any such law from ever being introduced in the future. Thank you,
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    well Obama, good luck running in November on having broken your pledge not to raise taxes on Americans making less than $250K.

    conservatives gonna be lining up behind Romney now.

    Remember Massachussetts? Scott Brown won in Massachussetts promising to be the vote against Obamacare.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What is to stop congress from saying, unless you buy a little electric cart and a solar/wind battery charger, that you must pay a $1000 tax? What if the current $400 ObamaCare tax is rasied to $4000?
    That is the problem with all of this, and why it is a very bad precedent to have set.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    From the Dissent of Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Kennedy:
    and that's not judicial activism?

    I know it's a dissenting opinion but are they normally that scathing?

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